QQ w/AK overs

Watkins · #1 05-19-2007, 06:58 AM

So I'm in a steal position + I've posted so SB or BB could think I'm FOS here. However, there are two overs and SB felt compelled to call my flop raise which always seems to be strong TP hands played timidly + I guess Ax and Kx are well within his range.

On the flip side this donk seems so out of place. How does everyone play this flop against an unknown at 1/2?

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
6 folds, Hero (poster) raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero ...

fretelöo · #2 05-19-2007, 07:01 AM

I call down.

Watkins · #3 05-19-2007, 07:09 AM

Fret,

You call down cause of the donk or would you call down a c/r?

fretelöo · #4 05-19-2007, 07:19 AM

Because of the donk. Maybe it's because of my recent 6max-ing, but there, ppl donk everything into pfr'ers. There, this could just as well be 58o as A2o as TT.

I'd assume he has a weak A or K relatively often, but I'm willing to find out.

If he c/r me, I'd probably fold.

aK13 · #5 05-19-2007, 07:48 AM

I'm folding.

Calling down isn't worth it...you're getting like 2:1 (11:5 for a bet on every street). You also have very few outs.

OziBattler · #6 05-19-2007, 08:37 AM

I fold.

bad players cold call in the SB and bad players can definitely donk here with an A or K rather that CR.

I'd want to see that an unknown is capable of betting something that you beat in this sort of spot before I call down with this hand. SB is unknown so you dont know if this guy is knows that you know that you can raise light because you posted...

that_guy_33 · #7 05-19-2007, 06:49 PM

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Are you serious? You better have the greatest read of all time to pull this off...

Definately not worth it in my book. Easy laydown.

fretelöo · #8 05-20-2007, 04:07 AM

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Are you serious? You better have the greatest read of all time to pull this off...

Definately not worth it in my book. Easy laydown.

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Bla. Just yesterday, after responding to this thread I got donked into in almost exactly the same situation. Villain had 88.

Watkins · #9 05-20-2007, 07:22 AM

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Are you serious? You better have the greatest read of all time to pull this off...

Definately not worth it in my book. Easy laydown.

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Bla. Just yesterday, after responding to this thread I got donked into in almost exactly the same situation. Villain had 88.

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Fret, just to confirm that 88 hand was at 6-max?

Either way, I noticed a lot of this type of blind defence going on yesterday, along with a ramp-up in the amount of blind defense overall. Certain players are calling a HJ+ raise and donking any flop. Given that unpaired hands are just as unlikely to connect with the flop as SB/BB the blind has a bluffing advantage, if the LP isn't paying attention. "call, donk" seems to be the new "call, check/raise".

fretelöo · #10 05-20-2007, 07:37 AM

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Fret, just to confirm that 88 hand was at 6-max?

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Yes, 1/2 6max at Abs. And though that might make a difference, I don't think it's a big one if it's folded to you in the CO.