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flop question
guy is 34/20/1.8 after 1k hands. don't really know anything about him.
PokerStars 50/100 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font> i think if there's a flush draw a cap/lead is best. without it it's closer. anyone just call down after he 3bets? |
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Re: flop question
I play it where I don't put more money in than my opponent would with the same hand when he is beat. That way, when I lose, I lose less than he will in the same situation.
Some say yea, but you win less than he does......true........but I win more against his K3o when I have the best hand than he does. If I don't know the guy/gal, I bet out on the Flop, call the raise and bet the Turn, call the raise and check/call the River in the majority of cases. |
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Re: flop question
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If I don't know the guy/gal, I bet out on the Flop [/ QUOTE ] Why do you like to lead out the flop rather than c/r? |
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Re: flop question
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[ QUOTE ] If I don't know the guy/gal, I bet out on the Flop [/ QUOTE ] Why do you like to lead out the flop rather than c/r? [/ QUOTE ] Because I have nothing but Top Pair, no Kicker, with a backdoor Flush draw. I would save my 3-bet Flop for a Flush draw, or a Broadway Card with K. In addition, Villain could have J9 or QJ, giving him 8 outs, making him only a 2.18:1 Dog; even slightly less if he's suited in Clubs or Hearts. I want to save those times I extract max bets on the Flop for when I have more to go with the King. Since I'm out of position, I can't very well keep up the pace of my Flop betting when a Str8 card Turns, I bet out and he raises. What do I do then? Do I ck it down from the Turn on? Give me more to work with on the Flop. 2 Spades would be worth the ck/raise, as I can handle the 3-bet from Villain and it's worth the ck/call on the Turn when an Ace falls if I don't hit a Spade. Finally, since my Redraws are slim here, I would hate giving him a Freecard if chose to just ck his Str8 draw and wake me up with a raise on the Turn after I bet when he hit the Straight with a 7. Or maybe he's suited and another of his suit falls that is close in rank to the Flop cards and he raises me on the Turn. Now, do I call, or put him on Two Pair and fold? What I'd love is for him to be suited in Hearts when the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Turns up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]........so long the River card is black [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] |
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Re: flop question
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Because I have nothing but Top Pair, no Kicker, with a backdoor Flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] Sure he could have a lot of hands, but top pair/no kicker is huge HU with a button stealer. Also, I almost never see anyone with reasonable aggression not continuation bet here, so I think the risk of him checking through is extremely minimal. Assuming button's steal range is 30%, our pot equity is 68% according to Poker Stove (and that's assuming he'll stay in with all of his hands to the river, which he won't). I think we need to push our equity edge here. It may be the only way to get any additional money out of him. [ QUOTE ] I would save my 3-bet Flop for a Flush draw, or a Broadway Card with K. [/ QUOTE ] A c/r is just putting in 2 bets (unless he 3 bets like he did here). |
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Re: flop question
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[ QUOTE ] Because I have nothing but Top Pair, no Kicker, with a backdoor Flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] Sure he could have a lot of hands, but top pair/no kicker is huge HU with a button stealer. Also, I almost never see anyone with reasonable aggression not continuation bet here, so I think the risk of him checking through is extremely minimal. Assuming button's steal range is 30%, our pot equity is 68% according to Poker Stove (and that's assuming he'll stay in with all of his hands to the river, which he won't). I think we need to push our equity edge here. It may be the only way to get any additional money out of him. [ QUOTE ] I would save my 3-bet Flop for a Flush draw, or a Broadway Card with K. [/ QUOTE ] A c/r is just putting in 2 bets (unless he 3 bets like he did here). [/ QUOTE ] I would open/raise with J9o/QJo on the Button and if you checked your Kings, I'd check behind you and surprise you on the Turn when I made my Str8, or even an Ace flopping on the Turn, as I'd still have outs. Fire up PokerStars and go to a 6 player table and watch the passive play. IMHO: It depends on who is sitting on the Button. That is 1st and primary variable in how you play that hand. |
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Re: flop question
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i think if there's a flush draw a cap/lead is best. without it it's closer. anyone just call down after he 3bets? [/ QUOTE ] This might be my standard line, especially when I have a degree of confidence that he will continue to bet with worse hands. I think a call and lead the turn is also a decent way to play this. There's lots of possible straights on the board. |
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Re: flop question
I just calldown. If a villain like this gets into a situation against me where I think that he is getting angry at my flop c/r and will be 3betting more liberally then I will start capping here.
With him being basically unknown I just want to see a showdown because I have no clue what kind of player he is from his stats, anything from expert to primate is a very realistic possibility. |
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Re: flop question
call three bet, check call, check call
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Re: flop question
Here are my thoughts on spots like this, hopefully someone can give me their opinion on my line because it's not what most are suggesting.
I like to cap and lead the turn. Reason being that if villian had a better hand he would more often than not just call the CR and pop the turn when we lead out, the fact he 3bet the flop makes me think it's more likely our hand is good. If we take a passive line and just call down, we risk giving a free card on the turn to a gutshot/5outer. Also, if we cap and lead the turn and get raised - I think we can safely fold our 1pr, as we've shown quite a bit of strength and he has still raised us on the big street. By folding to a turn raise, we get away from the hand for 1.5BB (not counting calling villians 3bet), whereas calling down could cost us 2BB. Calling down also allows villian to put bets in when ahead and check the river when behind. Any thoughts on this logic? |
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