$11 HU NLTRN dispute

[chrismystero]

villain is ranked on sharkscope for HU at these stakes, so solid i guess. but someone please explain to me who is right/wrong here and why. if i am wrong i will accept it

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t2130)
Hero (t870)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t870</font>, Button calls t750.

Flop: (t1740) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t1740) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1740) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1740

jayluf said, "nice reraise bro"
chrismystero said, "ty"
jayluf said, "must be why your ROI is a huge 2%"
jayluf said, "no ty required, i was mocking you"
chrismystero said, "nop thats cuz i play HU matches"
jayluf said, "i only play HU matches"
jayluf said, "and my ROI is 12%"
jayluf said, "and im ranked #12"
chrismystero said, "good for u"
chrismystero said, "sad that someone with good stats pouts on a loss coinflip"
jayluf said, "i could careless about loosing a coin flip"
jayluf said, "rather exploiting your horrible play"
chrismystero said, "would u like me to put u on a high pocket everytime u button
raise?"
jayluf said, "i raised 4x BB"
chrismystero said, "ur point?"
jayluf said, "you think im folding to a short stacks push?"
jayluf said, "your 33 is either against a pair biger than 33"
jayluf said, "which calls evertime"
jayluf said, "and then you are a 4:1 dog"
jayluf said, "so theres your -EV"
jayluf said, "or two big overs"
jayluf said, "which you are a 6:5 favorite"
jayluf said, "in the end"
chrismystero said, "ur a moron if u think 4x raise means anything more than a 3x
raise"
jayluf said, "you are about a 3:1 dog to win the hand with your reraise"
jayluf said, "smooth call or fold"
chrismystero said, "k, genius wut would u have done if u were me there?"
jayluf said, "you have zero fold equity"
chrismystero said, "smooth call and hate every non 3 flop"
jayluf said, "as the short stack with my raise given how ive played so far"
jayluf said, "like i said, im ranked, youre not. think you played the hand
right, i could careless"
chrismystero said, "cant believe u want me to fold a pocket shortstacksd HU cuz
u button raised"
jayluf said, "with 33? everytime"
chrismystero said, "hahah wowwwwww"
jayluf said, "its almost an automatic fold"

[OneTwoThreeROBOT]

Unless he's a tight raiser (which I'm guessing he's not bc he's solid), I think the push is pretty standard. I expect him to fold a fair amount of the time.

On the other hand, if he doesn't raise much on this level, or with these stack sizes, he's probably only raising his better hands, which means he'll be more likely to call, and more likely to have a pair.

Yes, you're a big dog to a pair, but the chances of him having one are pretty slim, and definitely worth the risk when you consider your fold equity.

The only reason you would fold is if you think he won't fold to your push.

[handparty]

He can't spell the word losing for one thing. And he sounds like a whiny dick.

I think there's definitely fold equity there, especially if he has something like A6 or A7 and is scared of A w/ higher kicker.

What did he turn over?

[chrismystero]

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What did he turn over?

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AKo

[RyanJM]

There isn't a clear answer to this question. If that was the first time he raised 4x, or it was rare for him to raise 4x, then I would probably fold. Calling is the worst option considering your stack size and his range if he raises often. At the same time, if he was raising often, then 33 is a fine shove because he will fold weaker hands, and there's a good chance it's a flip if he does.

And if he's on the leaderboard with 13% ROI, he must just play a lot because that's not impressive at $11 stakes. I've seen guys with 20% ROI at $100 stakes HU.

[MasterLJ]

In a sense the jerk is right. Low pocket pairs have diminished value in the spot you are in especially given how low the blinds are. Let's say he's a complete dolt and calls with 56o, he may as well have AK. It's a marginal play that won't add to EV, but I'm not entirely sure it will be -EV either.

It's sort of like MTT "M Theory" at certain regions (M = 5 - 10) low pp has little value.

[oe39]

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I think there's definitely fold equity there, especially if he has something like A6 or A7 and is scared of A w/ higher kicker.

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yeah, seems like he folds most of the time

[APXG]

Anyone who needs to defend themselves / berate others in chat is insecure and thus wrong by default in the long-term.

[Insane_Steve]

It's obvious to say that you have no fold equity when you know your opponent has AK in this spot.

I can see an argument for a call or a fold here. Against a good player, and from an hourly rate standpoint, a shove is perfectly fine here. A6o or JTs are not calling and likely raising the button. Smooth call is bad here with your stack out of position.

How does someone with a 12% ROI even think there's no fold equity in this hand? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[oe39]

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It's obvious to say that you have no fold equity when you know your opponent has AK in this spot.


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obvious + wrong