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#1
05-08-2007, 06:51 PM
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100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
No read, he just sat down.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com MP ($93.42) CO ($72.20) Button ($113.95) SB ($107.75) BB ($89.85) Hero ($98.50) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $8, MP folds. Flop: ($29.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $20</font>, Hero ? 
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#2
05-08-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
dont know how much squeezing there is at party 100, or how agro the games get, but i can see crai and c/c c/f and just folding all being realistic.
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#3
05-08-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
As the first reply said it's hard to say not knowing the texture of the game. Here's my problem, if you are calling pf what kind of flop are you looking for better than this? If the only flop you are going play is when you flop a set then you have to fold pf against a this reraise.
I would probably respect the fact that he re-popped after I raised utg and fold. If I called I would lead at this flop. If he raises me agian I would fold. As I spent more time at the table I would have a better read to make these decisions.
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#4
05-08-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
play in these pots is more read dependent than anything else.
call now would be the default...
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#5
05-08-2007, 08:56 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
i think folding is really bad readkess. i think i like crai better than calling the flop and checking the turn looking to get it in there, mainly because if he has AK, if we just call the flop and check the turn, we're basically letting him see the turn and river very cheap.
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#6
05-08-2007, 09:35 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
1) this is where reads/stats are very very helpful
2) given that u dont have reads, his pf 3bet is pretty damn weak (meaning he could easily be a donk wanting action with AA/KK), I really don't like c/r ai here because I think we are seeing aa/kk way too often. I c/c the flop, play the odds that turn isn't ace or king and see if he fires second barrel
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#7
05-08-2007, 10:48 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
Grunch. Shove here all day. You cant call because then you could let a king or ace fall on later streets which would put you in a bad spot.
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#9
05-08-2007, 10:56 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
Okay...I'm having huge problems with this hand. One of you says that leading oop on this flop is best - I disagree. Any decent villain will recognize this as your hand is very marginal and would know your pretty much bet/folding. Also, why do so many people thing c/r ai is best? Look at how strong his 3bet pfr is...he clearly wants action. I c/c this flop and take my chances of non ace or king dropping and if villain fires another barrel im done --> is this horrendous?
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#10
05-08-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: 100nl QQ hand #2, post flop this time
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I c/c this flop and take my chances of non ace or king dropping and if villain fires another barrel im done --> is this horrendous? [/ QUOTE ] with no read, then yes, I think this is horrendous. folding big over pairs against unknowns for 3/4 of a stack is pretty bad IMO. also, i seriously doubt that those that like leading the flop are going to fold to a raise.
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