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Old 05-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

Do I keep pot control here, and if so, how?

What do we do here, and if we do bet, what's our plan for the turn?

No real reads yet.

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Keys ($10.35)
BB ($6.30)
UTG ($6.57)
MP ($3.07)
CO ($6.99)
Button ($6.30)

Preflop: Keys is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.05, <font color="#CC3333">Keys raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $0.35, MP calls $0.35, Button calls $0.35.

Flop: ($1.65) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Keys ???
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

I disagree with preflop raise. If you still decide to raise preflop, please make it at least $0.7.
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:36 PM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

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I disagree with preflop raise.

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Preflop raise is unbelievably standard, and not up for debate, unless you have some huge insight that we've never seen before.

KEW--do you agree we're probably ahead here?
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

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I disagree with preflop raise.

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Preflop raise is unbelievably standard, and not up for debate, unless you have some huge insight that we've never seen before.

KEW--do you agree we're probably ahead here?

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We are in a SA/WB situation with very little chance of improvement...Betting and checking will gain us the same info...Our hand is very marginal so I am not worried about protection...

I do not think a bet is bad...When called what do we do on the turn??? The entire deck is a scare cards...

PF is super standard...
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:49 PM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

Fair enough. Thanks.

I'd like to see a case for betting here.
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

Against three opponents on that board, I think checking is best. I don't think betting here accomplishes anything here that checking doesn't, aside from the extremely slim chance that everyone folds.

In these situations, I'm content to just complete in the SB and try and hit a set for cheap. Against that many opponents, 99 is almost never going to hold up. If you do raise, you have to raise much more to get the hand HU, then a cbet on this board will take it down 90% of the time.
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

Check and evaluate action..If 2 players show interest I am dumping it...Leading into 3 villains is problematic with the FD...Calls could mean a FD,SD or a T you just do not know and we'll be OOP...
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:35 AM
Waingro Waingro is offline
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

I would bet the flop for value. Pot control doesn´t really work when you are oop and it is multiway. And I wouldn´t exactly wet my pants if I am called. Missed overs, gut-shots, fds, any pair might call so fire away.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:41 AM
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Default Re: Mid-pocket pair, keeping pot control?

betting is spew here. Your opponents easily have 16 combined outs against you (4x3 overcards + 4 flush cards that aren't overcards) and you could already be drawing to 2 outs. this is not wa/wb. Against a field of 3 players you can't play this profitably oop, imo. Raising this preflop is standard, because you want to get it HU and have dead money in the pot. Multiway action is deadly for small PPs, just as it is for AA, KK. I check/fold this all day.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:43 AM
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And raise more from oop preflop. You really want to thin out the field.
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