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05-06-2007, 06:35 AM
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Table selection
I am pretty new to 6 max, but it seems as table selection is very important..
How do you choose tables besides players seeing the flop... I play at .10/.20 so normally that is not the problem.. I have the assumption that its better to be at a table with som loose passive players and a lagtard or 1/2 tags, compared to a table full of loose passive players who have a PFR of 1-3 and a total agression <1.. Is this a right assumption !? 
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05-06-2007, 07:35 AM
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Re: Table selection
1. A lot of times I will just start a table. This is the easiest way to avoid having TAGs in your game, as most of them table select by watching the % to the Flop. You may have to play HU in a not so profitable situation for a bit, but it usually evens itself out when the table fills up with Loose Passives.
2. I never sit down to a game with more than 1 TAG at it, and I usually won't stay in a game where more than 1 TAG eventually show up. In order for me to stay I have to have position on the the entire Loose Passive field and they have to be juicy. 3. I will sit in a game with 1 TAG depending on the conditions: -Will the TAG play back at Aggressive players? If he doesn't this is optimal and I want him on my left. I cut off all his action from other players and my blind steals and isolation raises have a higher chance of succeeding. If he will play back at me I want him as far away from me as possible, usually right across the table. -Is the TAG the aggressive sort? More of a LAG? Then you definitely want him to your right. Having him on your left puts you in too many weird spots Post-Flop. You also want to be experienced in his play and take as many notes as possible as to his aggressive tendencies. 3. Feel free to watch a table before sitting down. Your looking for more than 2 people seeing the Flop, a lot of calling instead of raising, and sometimes the amount of pots being taken down without a showdown. You can also sit out at the table and watch what is going on before deciding to post and play. 4.When deciding to put yourself on a wait list, actually go to the table. Look for anybody short-stacked or sitting out. Decide whether or not this would be a good seat before putting yourself on the list. 5. When you join a table that is filling up, have all the remaining empty seats on your Right. This way no matter what sort of player sits down you will have some sort of positional advantage on them while you re-evaluate the table conditions. 6. Tables change quickly, and 6max tables change drastically when 1 player leaves and is replaced by another. Always be vigilant and ready to move. 7. Don't sit on my right.
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#3
05-06-2007, 08:24 AM
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Re: Table selection
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2. I never sit down to a game with more than 1 TAG at it, and I usually won't stay in a game where more than 1 TAG eventually show up. In order for me to stay I have to have position on the the entire Loose Passive field and they have to be juicy. 3. I will sit in a game with 1 TAG depending on the conditions: -Will the TAG play back at Aggressive players? If he doesn't this is optimal and I want him on my left. I cut off all his action from other players and my blind steals and isolation raises have a higher chance of succeeding. If he will play back at me I want him as far away from me as possible, usually right across the table. [/ QUOTE ] There is only two taggish players at my site: 28/15 and 29 / 23 over 1250 and 680 hands... they are pretty horrible postflop.. I think my assumption also was based on that i can outplay them postflop so they are good at pumping the pot PF when i have som strong hands.. as well as i can isolate a smaller field of LPs preflop when i have more marginal hands
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#4
05-06-2007, 11:31 AM
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Re: Table selection
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1. A lot of times I will just start a table. This is the easiest way to avoid having TAGs in your game, as most of them table select by watching the % to the Flop. You may have to play HU in a not so profitable situation for a bit, but it usually evens itself out when the table fills up with Loose Passives. 2. I never sit down to a game with more than 1 TAG at it, and I usually won't stay in a game where more than 1 TAG eventually show up. In order for me to stay I have to have position on the the entire Loose Passive field and they have to be juicy. 3. I will sit in a game with 1 TAG depending on the conditions: -Will the TAG play back at Aggressive players? If he doesn't this is optimal and I want him on my left. I cut off all his action from other players and my blind steals and isolation raises have a higher chance of succeeding. If he will play back at me I want him as far away from me as possible, usually right across the table. -Is the TAG the aggressive sort? More of a LAG? Then you definitely want him to your right. Having him on your left puts you in too many weird spots Post-Flop. You also want to be experienced in his play and take as many notes as possible as to his aggressive tendencies. 3. Feel free to watch a table before sitting down. Your looking for more than 2 people seeing the Flop, a lot of calling instead of raising, and sometimes the amount of pots being taken down without a showdown. You can also sit out at the table and watch what is going on before deciding to post and play. 4.When deciding to put yourself on a wait list, actually go to the table. Look for anybody short-stacked or sitting out. Decide whether or not this would be a good seat before putting yourself on the list. 5. When you join a table that is filling up, have all the remaining empty seats on your Right. This way no matter what sort of player sits down you will have some sort of positional advantage on them while you re-evaluate the table conditions. 6. Tables change quickly, and 6max tables change drastically when 1 player leaves and is replaced by another. Always be vigilant and ready to move. 7. Don't sit on my right. [/ QUOTE ] This is a great post but what do you do when trying to whore and the site only has 1 or two tables. I tried opening my own tables (at UB you get more points by opening a new table) but I get hammered bad so I resolved not to do this anymore. Perhaps I should just forget the whoring? I hate to do that though as I don't know if I'm good enough to win money without that extra bonus.
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#6
05-06-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: Table selection
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[ QUOTE ] This is a great post but what do you do when trying to whore and the site only has 1 or two tables. [/ QUOTE ] Get all my money off UB and Absolute. [/ QUOTE ] Are you advising this because they changed rake&points, or because of rumors that the site is going bankrupt? Because the games are pretty soft atm.
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#7
05-06-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: Table selection
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is a great post but what do you do when trying to whore and the site only has 1 or two tables. [/ QUOTE ] Get all my money off UB and Absolute. [/ QUOTE ] Are you advising this because they changed rake&points, or because of rumors that the site is going bankrupt? Because the games are pretty soft atm. [/ QUOTE ] I haven't played absolute in a long time but just started at UB and find that the games aren't all that soft at 2/4 and they often don't even have one at 3/6.
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#8
05-06-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: Table selection
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1. A lot of times I will just start a table. This is the easiest way to avoid having TAGs in your game, as most of them table select by watching the % to the Flop. You may have to play HU in a not so profitable situation for a bit, but it usually evens itself out when the table fills up with Loose Passives. 2. I never sit down to a game with more than 1 TAG at it, and I usually won't stay in a game where more than 1 TAG eventually show up. In order for me to stay I have to have position on the the entire Loose Passive field and they have to be juicy. 3. I will sit in a game with 1 TAG depending on the conditions: -Will the TAG play back at Aggressive players? If he doesn't this is optimal and I want him on my left. I cut off all his action from other players and my blind steals and isolation raises have a higher chance of succeeding. If he will play back at me I want him as far away from me as possible, usually right across the table. -Is the TAG the aggressive sort? More of a LAG? Then you definitely want him to your right. Having him on your left puts you in too many weird spots Post-Flop. You also want to be experienced in his play and take as many notes as possible as to his aggressive tendencies. 3. Feel free to watch a table before sitting down. Your looking for more than 2 people seeing the Flop, a lot of calling instead of raising, and sometimes the amount of pots being taken down without a showdown. You can also sit out at the table and watch what is going on before deciding to post and play. 4.When deciding to put yourself on a wait list, actually go to the table. Look for anybody short-stacked or sitting out. Decide whether or not this would be a good seat before putting yourself on the list. 5. When you join a table that is filling up, have all the remaining empty seats on your Right. This way no matter what sort of player sits down you will have some sort of positional advantage on them while you re-evaluate the table conditions. 6. Tables change quickly, and 6max tables change drastically when 1 player leaves and is replaced by another. Always be vigilant and ready to move. 7. Don't sit on my right. [/ QUOTE ] This is good stuff in general. One thing tho. Not sitting with TAGs makes it difficult to ever play higher than 3/6. Of course you should leave a table with 1 fish and 4 TAG's if you can find tables with 5 fish. However, when you play higher stakes where the rake matters less and the fish are few, just finding that one fish and have position on him is profitable. At 1/2 I doubt that your edge over 1 fish and 4 TAGs is enough to beat the rake. At 10/20 it definetely is. Also. It is important that the players to your left are fairly "bad" TAGs that doesnt adjust properly. Having a good LAG/TAG to your left is devastating as he wont let you isolate the fish. Finally I want to say agian. Site selection >>>>>>>>> table selection. Dont play small stakes without good rb/bonus/VIP value.
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