2 pr river decision

donger · #1 05-02-2007, 05:45 PM

Main villain in this hand is a tough AP reg. Button seems fishy, but I don't have many hands on him.
Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $15/$30
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.67SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.83BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7.83BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, button folds, BB raises, Hero..?

Results:
Final pot: 7.83BB

Am I like, universally cooked here?

admiralfluff · #2 05-02-2007, 06:46 PM

would he play 87 this way? If so you should call. You have 16% equity against 87 and any 2 hearts. He probably doesn't call any 2 suited in the BB here, but we also probably need to weight him getting to the river (and cring) with 87. If he's got a little bit of crazy in him I call.

whodaman · #3 05-02-2007, 06:53 PM

you should call... he could be trying to represent hearts with an 8, he could have 87, he could be stupid with AT . Its probably around neutral ev calling vs folding but calling is more fun

ILOVEPOKER929 · #4 05-02-2007, 07:12 PM

Fold preflop. Call river. Next hand.

gehrig · #5 05-02-2007, 10:30 PM

foldfoldfold. i usually dont think and call here tho.

villain can only be bluffing with 8x and value-raising worse with 87 and those hands usually fold turn so his range is pretty dominated by flushes and a7

ILOVEPOKER929 · #6 05-02-2007, 11:34 PM

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foldfoldfold. i usually dont think and call here tho.

villain can only be bluffing with 8x and value-raising worse with 87 and those hands usually fold turn so his range is pretty dominated by flushes and a7

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Ive never folded in this spot and I never will. You made some good points though Gehrig.

Entity · #7 05-02-2007, 11:43 PM

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foldfoldfold. i usually dont think and call here tho.

villain can only be bluffing with 8x and value-raising worse with 87 and those hands usually fold turn so his range is pretty dominated by flushes and a7

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FWIW, I know of no one on absolute who folds the turn here with 87 or 8xs.

Azalin · #8 05-03-2007, 08:30 AM

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foldfoldfold. i usually dont think and call here tho.

villain can only be bluffing with 8x and value-raising worse with 87 and those hands usually fold turn so his range is pretty dominated by flushes and a7

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FWIW, I know of no one on absolute who folds the turn here with 87 or 8xs.

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I second that.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #9 05-03-2007, 12:34 PM

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foldfoldfold. i usually dont think and call here tho.

villain can only be bluffing with 8x and value-raising worse with 87 and those hands usually fold turn so his range is pretty dominated by flushes and a7

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FWIW, I know of no one on absolute who folds the turn here with 87 or 8xs.

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The hero needs to have the best hand on the river 8.5% of the time to make calling profitable. I dont care what the logic of the hand suggests, I refuse to believe that the hero wont be good this often. Thats why I call. Thats why I always call in these spots, becuz thats what I do for a living, making crying calls all day. Some days they always have it. Some days they dont. I'm still not broke yet so I'm ok with this strategy.

Entity · #10 05-03-2007, 12:35 PM

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foldfoldfold. i usually dont think and call here tho.

villain can only be bluffing with 8x and value-raising worse with 87 and those hands usually fold turn so his range is pretty dominated by flushes and a7

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FWIW, I know of no one on absolute who folds the turn here with 87 or 8xs.

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The hero needs to have the best hand on the river 8.5% of the time to make calling profitable. I dont care what the logic of the hand suggests, I refuse to believe that the hero wont be good this often. Thats why I call. Thats why I always call in these spots, becuz thats what I do for a living, making crying calls all day. Some days they always have it. Some days they dont. I'm still not broke yet so I'm ok with this strategy.

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Yeah I was kinda trying to point out the ridiculousness of saying that someone "always has you beat" on Absolute, especially with those sort of stats. The games there play v. laggy and while I don't expect to be good I expect it to be > 10% which provides enough overlay.

Rob