FTP 5-10 AA deep oop

Gary Stevenson · #1 04-29-2007, 09:49 PM

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $2927.50
BB: $810
UTG: $1202
BTN: $2613.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, BTN raises to $35, Hero raises to $130, BB folds, BTN calls $95

Flop: ($270) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $180, BTN calls $180

Turn: ($630) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero?

villain is younghov, noluck17 on ftp. i have him running at 23/18/4 over 1.2k hands, though some of those are from hu and 3 handed play. i've been winning most of the big pots against him and he seems frustrated, playing very fast and calling a ton of my raises and 3bets pf. i'm probably somewhere around 26/19 this session and he probably views me as a standard TAG i'd assume, who hasn't gotten out of line yet.

so, what's ur standard line here, bet again/fold to a raise? bet/call? check/call? check/raise?
i'll ask about further action after some responses

wpr101 · #2 04-29-2007, 10:51 PM

Check/call I think.

JKratzer · #3 04-29-2007, 11:04 PM

i haven't played with him, but i'd like bet/fold if he's not really aggro. some players would have a tough time bluffing the turn here this deep against a strong line. if you check i think it should be with intentions of folding, playing this oop with a fairly face-up hand (which i think it would be) is just asking to get outplayed.

wpr101 · #4 04-29-2007, 11:14 PM

Yea good points. You convinced me, I prefer betting turn now.

Gary Stevenson · #5 04-29-2007, 11:27 PM

good point kratz, i doubt he's gonna bluff raise the turn off if i lead out again, though others with more hands on him might know better

PoppinFresh · #6 04-30-2007, 12:48 AM

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i haven't played with him, but i'd like bet/fold if he's not really aggro. some players would have a tough time bluffing the turn here this deep against a strong line. if you check i think it should be with intentions of folding, playing this oop with a fairly face-up hand (which i think it would be) is just asking to get outplayed.

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completely disagree, you're not going to get 3 streets of value from him unless he has a hand like KK or QQ which he will value bet for you, so why would you take the bluff away from him?

I also don't think that a c/c on this board in a button vs. blind situation turns your hand face up at all, it makes us look a lot weaker than we are since AA is near the top of our range.

I would check/call the turn, bet/folding is the easier line but isn't optimal

wpr101 · #7 04-30-2007, 01:02 AM

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i haven't played with him, but i'd like bet/fold if he's not really aggro. some players would have a tough time bluffing the turn here this deep against a strong line. if you check i think it should be with intentions of folding, playing this oop with a fairly face-up hand (which i think it would be) is just asking to get outplayed.

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completely disagree, you're not going to get 3 streets of value from him unless he has a hand like KK or QQ which he will value bet for you, so why would you take the bluff away from him?

I also don't think that a c/c on this board in a button vs. blind situation turns your hand face up at all, it makes us look a lot weaker than we are since AA is near the top of our range.

I would check/call the turn, bet/folding is the easier line but isn't optimal

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Good points as well. I'm going back to being undecided on this hand [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]. I don't have a strong opinion either way. My gut reaction was to check/call. But there is a hand posted by duh recently where I played AA that way and a lot of people thought I could have played it better specifically by double barreling.

Gary Stevenson · #8 04-30-2007, 01:29 AM

that may have been bc it was ~100bb deep wpr? idk i didn't see the hand. there would obviously be a pretty big difference in what you want to do with AA with 100bb vs 260bb in this spot

DrGutshot · #9 04-30-2007, 02:16 AM

My vote is bet-fold slightly better than check call - if he flatcalls, vbet any moderately safe river.

Check fold I think is v.bad, as well as c/r and b/c.

-DrG

Gary Stevenson · #10 04-30-2007, 02:23 AM

ok, seems like some mixed responses between c/c and b/f. here's what happened-
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $2927.50
BB: $810
UTG: $1202
BTN: $2613.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, BTN raises to $35, Hero raises to $130, BB folds, BTN calls $95

Flop: ($270) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $180, BTN calls $180

Turn: ($630) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $450, Hero calls $450

River: ($1530) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?

now what?... ~$1,850 left into $1,500 pot