2 preflop dilemas from BB

[Hydrant]

What is the best option and why?

1. CO is 19.3/13.5/1.6

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero ?

I know folding is out of the question, do I 3bet or call and what is the plan for later streets?


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2. UTG+2 is 45/13.8/.5 after only small number of hands

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero ?
c or f?

[steakhouse]

Hand nr. 1 is an easy 3-bet, you need to try and isolate CO into a HU pot. You propably have the best hand too. Continue bet any flop.

2nd hand is tougher. Given that villain seems somewhat fishy and he has a wide openraising range I think that we can see a flop here. C/R decent flops.

[groo]

1....Solid villian that raises with more hands that are behind at this point than are ahead of you. With 88 you want a small field that reduces the chance of being drawn out on. 3-bet to limit the field. The play forward depends on the board and action from villian. Large cards more likely hit him and hence beat you. Straight (especially large) and flush cards bring a grimace to your face. Small unconnected unsuited cards make you smile.

2....He's raising early and you're probably behind. If you call you need to hit a J, 8 (and make TP with it), T9, or at least 2 spades to even consider paying any more to see the turn. Even if you catch a great flop, and even if you are ahead with it or drawing strong, you don't stand to make much money here. Let this one go.

[thesecondnuts]

1. 3 bet - continuation bet any flop, especially if you flop quads.

2. I love seeing flops with this kind of hand. You're either gonna hit it big, or hit nothing. Pretty much in C/F mode if you miss.

[jgca]

1) Calling in the SB against a single raiser is a bad play, period. Yes, you should 3-bet it against a likely steal attempt. With this guy's numbers, you might even 3-bet an EP raise, but folding isn't too bad.

2) How small a number of hands? Have you seen this guy raise with weak aces or be the first limper with total crap? You should play this, even against a 4% raiser from EP, but your followup will be pretty different.

[James.]

1)insta3bet. versus his steal raise you are ahead of quite a bit of his range. you want the hand HU to give your 88 the best chance of winning UI. a good rule of thumb out of the sb versus steal raises is to always 3bet or fold if you're going to play. this of course is dependent upon the preflop raisor and the bb.

2)i would call and play some poker postflop.

[Hydrant]

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2)i would call and play some poker postflop.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero ?

[jgca]

RAAAAAAYYYYYYZZZZ!

On the turn, hard to say. Should throw some c/rs in there so that you also get some OOP free cards. Bet out with a baby turn, of course, especially a 5.

[Ricks]

In hand 1, your action should be determined by Villains ATS% is. 88 is usually enough of a hand to raise here, but if an opponents ATS% is below 20%, your equity may not be that great. To 3-bet, you should have at least 50% equity against Villain's range. If the raise were from the BTN, 88 should be plenty against almost every opponent.

I agree with James that this should almost always be a raise or fold.


In hand 2, J8s is plenty of hand to call and it plays well post flop.

[Allday Everyday]

Hand one:
I think this is an easy 3-bet PF. I agree that you need to 3-bet or fold from SB against a LP open raise. You want to get your hand HU with the LP OOP. Raising will give BB worse odds to call, rather than calling and giving BB better, excellent odds to call. Raising also gains the initiative and you might be able to get better or splitting hands to fold later in the hand by keeping the pressure on. My plan for later in the hand, if BB folds and C/O calls, is to bet out at flop, and usually the later streets. I think you're likely to have the best hand at the flop and will often take it down there.

Hand two:
I think the decision is close. I think I'm leaning towards folding. His VPIP is very high, but his PFR isn't, though a guy with stats like that might not tighten his range from early. Even taking the large amount of hands he plays into account, his stats say he is passive. I'd prefer an aggro player to call against here as we get better implied odds for when we hit, and he plays back at us. Then again, the stats we have on him are across a small sample size. I might call here.