I folded the nuts

[HOWMANY]

Maybe 6-8 handed live 40 game. Villain is Joe Tall. We played together once before and I'm pretty sure we were not involved in a single pot together. I didn't know who he was until he left and Mike L told me. I'm not positive that he knows who I am at this point, but the way he looks at me I'm pretty sure that he does. What this means is he probably doesn't think I'm a retard. Preflop action is basically made up. The point is that there are a billion players preflop, it makes no difference what their position is. Joe is early/middleish and I'm small blind.

So there's like 1 fold, Joe raises, 3 cold calls, I 3bet A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the sb, bb may or may not have called, the rest all call.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I still have the nuts so I bet. Fold to Joe who raises and fold to me and I call.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

RAMALAMADINGDONG

I bet, he calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet, he raises and I fold pretty quickly.

At first I thought it was good, then I regretted it because I'm a degenerate and I like to see a showdown once I get all the way to the river with the nuts, then I remembered that it's okay to fold, but then I remembered that AK never loses so perhaps I miscalculated.

[mike l.]

wow that's pretty bad. pretty sure you folded half the pot. he could have 99 but other than that you made a pretty nice mistake.

[HOWMANY]

Please don't tell me things like that. Tell me he had 44. That makes perfect sense.

[mike l.]

joe wouldnt raise with that, he would limp or fold.

[emerson]

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Please don't tell me things like that. Tell me he had 44. That makes perfect sense.

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Forget about what he might have. Just call. In heads up pots offering you 10 to 1 or better with top pair, hand reading is a skill that will cost you money. Call.

[ssmallz]

You prolly folded half the pot at least. Joe won't raise 44 pf, he also won't raise many 9x hands pf aside from 99 and A9. His turn call/river raise is a classice line for AK/AQ espcially b/c that 4 changed nothing

[mike l.]

"In heads up pots offering you 10 to 1 or better with top pair, hand reading is a skill that will cost you money."

let's not get carried away. part of playing live limit hold em is playing against many opponents against whom you can easily laydown tptk in 100 bb pots if you have to.

[Bad Lobster]

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"In heads up pots offering you 10 to 1 or better with top pair, hand reading is a skill that will cost you money."

let's not get carried away. part of playing live limit hold em is playing against many opponents against whom you can easily laydown tptk in 100 bb pots if you have to.

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No it isn't.

[drbk2]

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"In heads up pots offering you 10 to 1 or better with top pair, hand reading is a skill that will cost you money."

let's not get carried away. part of playing live limit hold em is playing against many opponents against whom you can easily laydown tptk in 100 bb pots if you have to.

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I 100% agree with this. I think many people in this forum (including me and this is what I've been working on for the last year) look way too much at pot odds being offered on the river rather than reasoning through what your opponents can have. Making a bad fold in a big pot is bad and costly, but paying off repeatedly when you are up against very obvious playing opponents can definitely be worse. Part of the advantage that you should have against your opponents is your ability to read hands. You should use it instead of saying "I know you have a set, you haven't raised the turn or river in 7 hours, but I'm getting 11:1, I call with my top pair top kicker"

[27offsooot]

can't he have AKc, AQc, AJc, ATc here like all day. Or hell, maybe he only needs one club and an ace to play this way. I'm sure he's also capable of bluff raises as well w/ other clubs.

I guess A9 and 99 are possible, but i think this is a really really bad fold.