A6s flopping NFD

fretelöo · #1 04-26-2007, 08:00 AM

I'm villain in this hand. So our "Hero" is up against a (hopefully) thinking TAG with stats of 19/14/2.2 over a sample of 17k hands. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I was curious about his line. I assume it makes sense though you don't see it often. I'm not sure why. That's why I post it...

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UGT+1 bets, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 3-bets, and Hero does now what?

I think that his pf call is likely good. I'm rarely ever limping and if I am, then it's with some suited broadway-combo. He probably realizes that his pf-edge - if existent at all - is relatively small HU. His implieds if he limps along and invites the rest of the table to do the smae, skyrocket, though.

Standard seems to be to call and fold the river ui. But is there some sense to capping and trying an "extended" free-card play? I guess there is, but then - why don't you see it much more often?

Man of Means · #2 04-26-2007, 08:21 AM

Might as well cap it and try for a freecard. Hero's equity is only suffering badly if villain (limper) has 77/55. Since you're a TAG you probably don't have an A, so his A outs are good; A6dd is 47/53 vs. KTs. You could also have 98s.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #3 04-26-2007, 09:42 AM

easy cap - 'always pay as much as possible for a free card'

Buzz-cp · #4 04-26-2007, 02:59 PM

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easy cap - 'always pay as much as possible for a free card'

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you are jopkig right? aggro players rarely give a free card.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #5 04-26-2007, 03:08 PM

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easy cap - 'always pay as much as possible for a free card'

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you are jopkig right? aggro players rarely give a free card.

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good. if he is overaggro he wont put us on the flush when we hit on the turn and we take all his moneys!

Buzz-cp · #6 04-26-2007, 03:16 PM

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easy cap - 'always pay as much as possible for a free card'

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you are jopkig right? aggro players rarely give a free card.

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good. if he is overaggro he wont put us on the flush when we hit on the turn and we take all his moneys!

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aggro != stupid

either you are trying to redefine the fundamental concepts or you are not getting them in the first place.

Aaron W. · #7 04-26-2007, 01:26 PM

With what hands would thinking TAG limp UTG+1 and bet the T75 flop? At 19/14, he probably has something like QTs, though I guess he just might be taking a stab at this pot (bad spot to do this -- too many ways players can call). I think I might just call on the flop and hope the blinds peel one off.

Given that you raised him, I don't think it matters so much whether you cap for a free card or just call and hope to value raise a flush somewhere.

Buzz-cp · #8 04-26-2007, 02:57 PM

don't raise first time and don't cap 2nd time

fretelöo · #9 04-26-2007, 03:03 PM

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don't raise first time and don't cap 2nd time

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Well, as I said, Hero in this hand isn't me. And while I agree that calling the initial bet would be better than raising, given that he raised and got 3bet, why not cap?

Buzz-cp · #10 04-26-2007, 03:05 PM

because an aggro player 3betting this flop is leading the turn a lot. we are putting in more money while behind