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Old 04-17-2007, 11:43 AM
SharpObject SharpObject is offline
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Default I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

No reads on villain.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $452.60</font>
<font color="black">BB: $400</font>
UTG: $175.50
MP: $405.70
<font color="black">CO: $519.20</font>
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $402.50</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, SB calls $16, BB calls $14, CO calls $14

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($72) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">CO bets $36</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $140</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $382</font>, CO Folds Hero...
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

ez fold
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:53 AM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

i wouldnt raise the first time around. its a 4 way pot and u got led into. great time to call and see what the other TWO players in teh hand do and what the turn is.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

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ez fold

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NO WAY. He is getting 2.6-1. No way you can fold this.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

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ez fold

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NO WAY. He is getting 2.6-1. No way you can fold this.

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Board: 8d 7d Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 75.244% 75.24% 00.00% 8939 0.00 { 88-77, AdJd, AdTd, Td9d, 87s }
Hand 1: 24.756% 24.76% 00.00% 2941 0.00 { AcAs }



And 88, 77, and 78s are way more likely than a draw here.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

Gave him a wider range:
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23,760 games 0.005 secs 4,752,000 games/sec

Board: 8d 7d Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.564% 35.56% 00.00% 8450 0.00 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 64.436% 64.44% 00.00% 15310 0.00 { 88-77, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, KdQd, QdJd, JdTd, Jd9d, Td9d, 87s, 6d5d, 5d4d, 8c7h, 8c7s, 8h7s }


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He only has to call 242 more. You simply cannot fold on such a drawy board for 242 more after raising 140.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

BB pushed cold with seemingly no FE and into a CO that might be very strong too. I have troubles seeing BB doing this without atleast a straightflushdraw.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

Looks like a big draw and you're getting good odds to call here vs a draw. so much dead $ in pot. I doubt someone limp/calls CO with 77 or 88, and DEF not QQ, so it looks like ur up against 56dd, 9Tdd, or like JTdd. CAlling here all day is def +EV.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

BTW, People don't need FE these days to stick it in with a draw. With all the $ in the pot, people feel the need to stick it in with a good draw and gambool it up. If he rele cared about FE with his draw, IMO, he would c/r this flop. By leading he's intending to take the pot/have control in the hand and draw with the lead. I'd love to hear the results. This is honestly bad fold gettin these odds with the HUGE chance he's drawing b/c all the draws out there and i people in late position almost NEVER limp 77 or 88 preflop, so he can ONLY have a draw IMO, and every once in a while 78 but very unlikely that leads; it mostly c/r to get to fold out a lot of hands to protect itself instead of lead/shoving.
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Old 04-17-2007, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: I hate folding Aces, but what else is new..

Results: I was pretty unhappy and folded but I still feel it is close. While I didn't have any reads on villain, I'm pretty sure he is a regular. In hindsight I think a call is probably right, but a solid player is not doing this without a big combo draw or a set. For the full tilt regs villain is KCraig.
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