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Old 04-16-2007, 02:53 PM
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ok so playing online again, just deposited a bit of money and gettin back in the swing of things. ps i am pretty damned sexy. villain is very good and tricky, definitely likes to make moves.

please advise on all streets i think i fcked this one up pretty bad yo. stacks be like 400ish

i have J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in SB. co makes it 12, i call, bb calls.

flop (36): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

i lead 20, bb calls, CO calls

turn (96) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

i lead 88, bb calls, CO folds.

river (270): T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

i check, bb bets 140, i do what exactly?

what should i have done on flop (i realize i should have bet more if i was going to bet, multitabling stupidity) turn? now?
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:54 PM
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no rr pre?
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: JJ advice on all streets welcome

Given the line you took and your own stated sexiness, you didn't set it to c/r river?
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:57 PM
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no rr pre?

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nah that is so 2006
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Old 04-16-2007, 05:18 PM
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nah that is so 2006

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with a "very good and tricky" dude in BB i want him out of there. not sure why you don't.
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: JJ advice on all streets welcome

pf is usually a reraise for me.

flop bet size is kinda weird, are you pushing if CO raises? i'd lead for closer to the pot but not a big deal i guess. i assume you mean bb is the tricky villian, depending on co's tendencies i might like a c/r better to isolate if you think he'll stack off light.

turn looks good. river is a fold.
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:01 PM
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kratzer what about if villain bets closer to the pot on the river?
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:13 PM
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kratzer what about if villain bets closer to the pot on the river?

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if he's any good i don't think that matters too much to me, but i might call a bigger bet a little more. basically, you've shown decent strength betting into two people including the pfr on both streets. good tricky villian called both times with the pfr to act after him, not getting odds on a draw (unless it's a super-draw). his line looks pretty strong and when you check the river i think he would expect a check/call, especially with his valueish bet size. the only thing that gives me pause is villian could definitely play a draw like this because they're in the middle but i think it's a real hand a lot more often.

after typing all this out and really thinking about the hand i think you're villian. that kind of changes things since from my limited understanding you're capable of a lot more than a normal "good" 2/4 player, like bluffing 88/99 here. oh well i'm gonna stick with my analysis and say this is a fold from hero's p.o.v.
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: JJ advice on all streets welcome

I'm not too crazy about the flop lead.

It's not a spot where you're usually happy to get stacks in on a 3bet, since your equity is pretty meh vs almost any range that calls you. Can be okay if they're a bit crazier, or if you can actually safely fold (rare), but I wouldn't really be too excited about the possibility of inducing a raise.

Turn is fine.

I like the river check, and I'm snap calling the bet. Way too many busted draws here for you to just c/f, especially vs the player described.
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:28 PM
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Jim is on the ball like always.
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