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What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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Re: What would do about Virginia Tech?
Let's make some fair assumptions first.
1. Gunmen had firearms illegally (due to age or bringing them onto campus, or storing them on campus). 2. Gunmen would have had firearms illegally if firearms were banned in the US. 3. Armed maniac + unarmed victims = mass murder. |
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Re: What would do about Virginia Tech?
This was a "gun free zone", btw.
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Re: What would do about Virginia Tech?
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This was a "gun free zone", btw. [/ QUOTE ] You could really only kill this many people in a gun free zone. In many states there's one concealed gun for every 10 or 20 or 30 people. That prevents a lot of this and ends many that start will better results. There's almost no chance that concealed carry citizens will add to the toll in such a situation and so many reasons to assume that they would reduce it. More guns, less crime. Ask any sensible Australian. |
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Re: What would do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] This was a "gun free zone", btw. [/ QUOTE ] You could really only kill this many people in a gun free zone. In many states there's one concealed gun for every 10 or 20 or 30 people. That prevents a lot of this and ends many that start will better results. There's almost no chance that concealed carry citizens will add to the toll in such a situation and so many reasons to assume that they would reduce it. More guns, less crime. Ask any sensible Australian. [/ QUOTE ] I thought guns were banned there too? |
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
until the facts are in, I don't know what kind of meaningful discussion we can contribute but that's never stopped this forum before.
that is an unreal number of fatalities even for an assault rifle - and what, two seperate incidents over two hrs? I PRAY it wasn't a returning Army/Marine Veteran, but to be totally blunt/frank, you don't get that kind of casuality rate from jim bob and his 9mm ruger in the glovebox - that sounds like an assault rifle and someone with some serious training/planning and about 4 banana clips - wonder what the wounded numbers are? I'm worried it's going to be a vet with PTSD who had a breakdown - that would be about the worst possible scenario I can imagine, but packing a Glock to Physics 101 isn't the answer. rb |
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo.
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb |
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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you don't get that kind of casuality rate from jim bob and his 9mm ruger in the glovebox - that sounds like an assault rifle and someone with some serious training/planning and about 4 banana clips - wonder what the wounded numbers are? [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree. I think this would be pretty easy to do in this setting for someone with any sort of background with guns---even something as benign as hunting or target shooting. Think about it: crowded buildings with few exits and herds of panicked people. Personally, I don't think it's out of the question at all that this was someone with two handguns or something. |
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] you don't get that kind of casuality rate from jim bob and his 9mm ruger in the glovebox - that sounds like an assault rifle and someone with some serious training/planning and about 4 banana clips - wonder what the wounded numbers are? [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree. I think this would be pretty easy to do in this setting for someone with any sort of background with guns---even something as benign as hunting or target shooting. Think about it: crowded buildings with few exits. Personally, I don't think it's out of the question at all that this was someone with two handguns or something. [/ QUOTE ] but it seems to me the experience in these incidents has been a high wound rate/lower kill rate. It's not like Bruce Willis or Chow Yun-Fat in the real world - (usually) - with 20 wounded and 20+ killed, he must have had a lot of students cornered off and went in there with both guns blazing - it would explain how he could go from one shooting to the next without setting off a panic - it makes concealing the weapons easier. at the least, I'd imagine he's had handgun training. rb |
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