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Old 04-15-2007, 04:39 AM
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Default 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

When villain minraises you on coordinated flops like this, what're your reads on villain's possible holdings?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<u>SB: $104.70</u>
<font color="black">BB: $43.95</font>
<u>Hero (UTG): $62.95</u>
CO: $17.60
BTN: $86

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $7</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50
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Old 04-15-2007, 04:48 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

fold to raise
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Old 04-15-2007, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

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fold to raise

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Old 04-15-2007, 04:57 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

I understand the optimal line is to fold, but what's your read when villain makes this type of move? If I feel he's doing this with something strong I'm going to call to hit the 3 and take his stack especially because we're over 110BB's effective
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Old 04-15-2007, 05:03 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

{air, set, TP, draw}
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Old 04-15-2007, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

in that order?
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

I think the timing of the move tells you more than the move itself. If they tank it's a monster, if they do it instantly it's more likely to be a bluff/semi bluff.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:26 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

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I think the timing of the move tells you more than the move itself. If they tank it's a monster, if they do it instantly it's more likely to be a bluff/semi bluff.

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Old 04-15-2007, 07:29 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

Timing tells are overrated. This is a fold, you only have 3 clean outs and you are not sure if he stacks off when you hit. So fold.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:38 AM
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Default Re: 50nl minraise to cbet, what\'s the read?

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When villain minraises you on coordinated flops like this, what're your reads on villain's possible holdings

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It is a multiway pot. People mess about less in these, and rightly so.
HU it is different, but still without a read or a strong hand(TPTK) I tend to let go. However in general I find that a flop raise means less strength than a turn raise (baluga).

In fact, we could combine all these theorems, and say that a raise signals an average hand strength proportional with street number.



Strength guide
1: Preflop could be wide range of cards
2: Flop could be a draw, air, TP +
3: Turn raise = One pair no good
4: River raise is the nuts
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