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Top Two in a big pot
UTG+2 is kinda tilty. His stack has been fluctuating. Everytime he gets under 8-9BB (like in this hand) he goes crazy. About an orbit earlier he capped from EP with JTo after I 3bet with AK.
MP3 is very solid. Hasn't been out of line at all. Taggish. PF and flop seem ok. Turn is where my big question is. After MP3 calls 2 cold on the flop (twice) I was a little worried about what he had. I was never really concerned with UTG2. I could have raised to try to blow MP3 out of the pot but was concerned with getting 3 bet. If I just called I figured he'd raise with position if he had anything that beat me. Also the pot was so big that he could probably chase profitably even calling 2 cold if he was on a draw. Given the turn, the river seems good, right?? PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls, BB calls. Flop: (16.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls, BB folds, UTG+2 calls. Turn: (15.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls. River: (18.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 22.83 BB |
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
i don't see how the river changes anything; if we weren't going to raise the turn why raise the river? i mean i agree the draw didn't come in but i think i'd still put the raise in on the turn to charge mp3 more since he seems obviously drawing. if 3bet i just call down.
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
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i don't see how the river changes anything; if we weren't going to raise the turn why raise the river? [/ QUOTE ] Cuz MP3 didn't raise on turn, which tells us that we're not behind to AA/KK? |
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
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[ QUOTE ] i don't see how the river changes anything; if we weren't going to raise the turn why raise the river? [/ QUOTE ] Cuz MP3 didn't raise on turn, which tells us that we're not behind to AA/KK? [/ QUOTE ] This is what I was thinking. |
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
I raise turn. Even though I'm a little worried about a solid player 3betting preflop and then coldcalling twice on the flop I can't necessarily think he has AA or KK; there are lots of A broadway diamond/spade hands that he could have right now. Even though he has odds to coldcall on flush draw I think you have to make him pay for that, don't you?
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
from your description of UTG + 2
raise turn cap if 3bet call river if donked into bet/call if checked to |
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
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from your description of UTG + 2 raise turn cap if 3bet call river if donked into bet/call if checked to [/ QUOTE ] You realize there's another player in the hand right? |
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You realize there's another player in the hand right? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and that is why you raise the turn, instead of the river. |
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
MP3's line on the flop (call 2 cold, then call 2 more) is the typical "I have a flush draw line". If I thought I was tied or ahead on the turn I'd raise there. You won't get a dime from him on the river and he needs to pay the max to draw out.
If your read on UTG+2 is good and you believe you're ahead, then you're fine. However if you think he's tilty, why didn't you maximize by raising the turn? Given the turn you played, the river is fine. |
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Re: Top Two in a big pot
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If your read on UTG+2 is good and you believe you're ahead, then you're fine. However if you think he's tilty, why didn't you maximize by raising the turn? [/ QUOTE ] I was worried about MP3. Yes he called 2 cold twice on the flop but your forgettting that he's tight and 3bet preflop. Without him in the hand, I raise the turn all day. I guess I'm wrong because everyone seems to disagree with me but while it's possible that MP3 is on a draw, I don't think it's obvious. (If he had CC'd preflop then I think it would be easier to put him on draw) I probably should left the original post blank after UTG2 bet the turn, because I think it might be skewing opinions. What exactly are we putting MP3 on? I can't think of many hands he's gonna play this way PREFLOP and on the flop. Everyone seems to be just focusing on the fact that he called the flop and writing it off as a draw. I don't think he's got KQs, AQs, etc. There not really in his 3betting range. The other AK is possible. I'm not sure he's gonna call the flop action with QQ or JJ. Despite the fact that I have AK, I still think at the turn AA and KK are very likely given the action. I called basically to see what MP3 did on the turn. I think he's only gonna raise with a hand that beats AK. This seems to a rare situation where you can actually "find out where you are" by calling instead of betting/raising. If I raised he might 3bet but it's also possible he might have smoothcalled a set to keep UTG2 in the hand. If I call, there's no way he's just calling with KK or AA. |
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