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Two points against Intellectual property laws
Most pro-IP arguments come from a consequential stand point that without IP, artists don't have an incentive to create whatever type of art they are in the business of creating. We have seen that in the case of music, this is complete BS.
In the last decade or so we have seen the proliferation of peer2peer sharing programs for music. Anybody with a computer and an internet connection can get pretty much any song from any artist he wants from many different sources. Yet some how, the music industry hasn't collapsed. Artists are still making music, fans are still buying music, and artists and labels are still making amazing amounts of money (albeit smaller then before, which isn't inherently a problem). The music industry hasn't been destroyed by free music for a few reasons, including- 1) Artists enjoy what they do despite the fact that some may end up enjoying their music for free. 2) Fans have been loyal to their artists and buy copies even when faced with the chance to get a free copy from a friend or the internet. 3) Artists know #2 4) Relative to the average salary, artists (and labels) are still making boatloads of money. The same could be said about movies and television shows, although I know less about that subject. There's many Torrent sites you can find to watch movies and TV online, yet movies are still being made and new shows keep making it to TV. The second point deals mostly with hip hop, and I'm not sure how many fans of hip hop we have in this forum. It concerns mixtapes. Basically, a (usually young artist that isn't known well) rapper will collaborate with a DJ who provides the instrumentals to different rap songs. The rapper then does new lyrics over the beats. The DJ will play the songs at the places he DJ, and he'll usually sell the album to the local record stores. This is crucial for young artists in gaining name recognition towards putting out a major album. There are many now famous rappers out there who owe their success to mixtapes. If it were possible to flip a switch and end this illegal process, it would actually hurt the music business. Less people would be able to get their name out as new artists. People would sell less albums when they do put out their albums because they have less name recognition. With regards to mixtapes the labels attempt to have their cake and eat it too. Many will pay a DJ to assemble a mixtape for a young rapper, and say that they are under the assumption that the mixtape is for promotional use only (wink wink) then through government funding and the RIAA they end up raiding businesses that stock the mixtapes. Both peer2peer sharing and most mixtape practices are illegal, yet even when externalized on taxpayers it can't be stopped. We also see that while this hasn't been stopped, the music industry is still alive and doing quite well for itself, despite the claims of pro-IPers. |
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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1) Artists enjoy what they do despite the fact that some may end up enjoying their music for free. [/ QUOTE ] As an artist I would probaly enjoy my art alot less while working in some hellhole cubicle job in a world without good Advertizing, TV, Movies, Internet, Computers, Art, Etc. [ QUOTE ] 2) Fans have been loyal to their artists and buy copies even when faced with the chance to get a free copy from a friend or the internet. [/ QUOTE ] SOME fans .... the actual amount of monetary loss is hard to define but it is HUGE. [ QUOTE ] 4) Relative to the average salary, artists (and labels) are still making boatloads of money. [/ QUOTE ] Relativity only counts if your a pysicist. Who cares how much mobnies ppl make? |
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As an artist I would probaly enjoy my art alot less while working in some hellhole cubicle job in a world without good Advertizing, TV, Movies, Internet, Computers, Art, Etc. [/ QUOTE ] And I would probably enjoy the internet a lot less if their was no oxygen. I'm sorry what was your point? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 2) Fans have been loyal to their artists and buy copies even when faced with the chance to get a free copy from a friend or the internet. [/ QUOTE ] SOME fans .... the actual amount of monetary loss is hard to define but it is HUGE. [/ QUOTE ] Huge and some are subjective valuations. And while, sure, it has led to less money for artists, you've yet to show why there is something wrong with that, especially considering the fact that new music is still being made. [ QUOTE ] Who cares how much mobnies ppl make? [/ QUOTE ] based on the rest of your post, umm, you. |
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
I will withhold my lashing out at your one liners and jabs. Its your OP derail it all you want. |
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I will withhold my lashing out at your one liners and jabs. Its your OP derail it all you want. [/ QUOTE ] Pot calling the kettle black? You responded with three sentences to my relatively long OP. Two of them I would consider a jab. Have a nice night then. |
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Who cares how much mobnies ppl make? [/ QUOTE ] Right before that, you just wrote: [ QUOTE ] the actual amount of monetary loss is hard to define but it is HUGE. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
Arguments against patents being "absoulutely necessary" for scientific innovation:
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] Who cares how much mobnies ppl make? [/ QUOTE ] Right before that, you just wrote: [ QUOTE ] the actual amount of monetary loss is hard to define but it is HUGE. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] yes i did .... the who cares coment was in response to his premise that because record comanies make a lot of mobney it is fine to steal from them |
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Who cares how much mobnies ppl make? [/ QUOTE ] Right before that, you just wrote: [ QUOTE ] the actual amount of monetary loss is hard to define but it is HUGE. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] yes i did .... the who cares coment was in response to his premise that because record comanies make a lot of mobney it is fine to steal from them [/ QUOTE ] Whoa. You'll have to point that part out to me. |
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
I don't necessarily disagree with this summary. But I think looking at the entertainment industry is not necessarily the best way to assess what is at stake with IP in general. Much more important is how IP affects innovation and R&D for companies heavily reliant on things like computer, chemical, and electrical engineering.
These are not simple questions. |
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