Within the Rules or goofball move???

[crackerjack]

I play a lot of poker with a bunch of guys in my area at our local bar.
$1/$2 NL 8 handed game last night and this hand occured.
We had two 8 handed tables going last night and I got stuck on the table without the deep pockets. There was roughly $1k on my table and roughly $4k on the other table.

I would just like to point out that these guys aren't very good. They provide a very nice 2nd income for me... although they think they are good. The other guy in question is the kind of player who calls 8x the BB with J,3 because it's suited.

He hammered me once when I reraised a raised raise preflop and he called. I had rockets and he had J,8 of diamonds and he rivered the flush. He called $120 preflop with J,8 because it was suited. These are the kinds of players I play with every week.

Finally to the hand last night.

I have 3,4os. I call the $2 as does 4 other players. Flop is 10,4,4 rainbow. Villain bets $5 and I call and everyone else folds. The turn brings the case 4. He checks and I check behind him.

The river is a 3. He bets $5 and as I push my stack over the line, I say "well, it's probably a split pot".. I know he has the 10 and he's one of those guys who can't fold here. He's not the type of guy you make a value bet on here.

He goes into the tank for a while. I don't say too much. This surprised me because I figured him for a instacall.

This is where I'm not sure how koshur this is.
I put my 3 to the front of my cards and don't say anything.
I pretend to grab something on the other side of the table and continuously flash my 3 to him... but I'm doing this on purpose. He thinks I'm doing this by accident. I could see him trying to look down at my cards from the corner of his eye, so I look the other way and show my 3 a little more...

He finally calls and flips the 10. I show quads and he says "[censored]" and leaves.

His fault for trying to peek? Or did I angle shoot his ass?
Or is this all part of the game?

Thoughts?

Thanks

[Lottery Larry]

Depends on the rules.

Seems to me you're being stupid, as in penny-wise, pound-foolish. If the game is as soft as you say it is, why intro these kinds of moves and antagonize people?

[crackerjack]

true enough I suppose... but I still never said that I was showing on purpose. So for all he knows, I was showing that card by accident... so therefore, I wasn't showing a move or antagonizing anyone. I also figured at the same time, it serves him right for trying to peek at my cards.. no?

[Rottersod]

dick-ish move

[crackerjack]

what's more dick-ish then? Me purposefully showing my cards or him sneakingly gawking. Equally dick-ish?
Keep in mind, I never rubbed it in his face and said I did what I did... I was quiet about it. I think he would have called anyway and I'm not 100% sure he even saw my card.... but my intent was there nonetheless.

[Rottersod]

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what's more dick-ish then? Me purposefully showing my cards or him sneakingly gawking. Equally dick-ish?
Keep in mind, I never rubbed it in his face and said I did what I did... I was quiet about it. I think he would have called anyway and I'm not 100% sure he even saw my card.... but my intent was there nonetheless.

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You showing your cards is more dick-ish because you wanted him to look.

[Obfuscation]

It's like 90% of an angle-shoot and certainly dick-ish, imo.

[PantsOnFire]

Yes, within the rules. But I would lean towards goofball move. The split pot comment is dumb because the board doesn't look like a split.

I understand your motivation, and I would be inclined to have some fun here too but in a different way.

For example, I might flip over my 3 and say, "your A high is no good". To me, that is playing a psychological game but not in a dickish way. Someone please correct me here if you think this approach is dickish as well.

In the end, yes in poker you do play mind games trying get guys to fold or call. And frankly, I like it when guys do that because there is a wealth of tells for me to pick up on. In your case, I too would have noticed your 3 and I might have decided to fold a 10 there.

However, for our own home games, we don't usually get involved in plays like this because we keep things friendly. Psychological games at a casino with a bunch of guys I don't know is one thing, but with my buddies or in a social setting, it sometimes is not really welcome.

[Gonso]

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there is no rule about exposing cards when heads-up in a cash game.

A couple of people see it as an alright move, but it looks like there are more that think it's not o.k.

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It's not showing the cards that's the problem - that's fine. He could flip them faceup if he wanted to. All I'm saying is this is generally considered bad form and good players generally don't resort to these kind of shoots.

I mentioned earlier that it was an old trick in Caro's BOT... it's tell #40 in my edition. Doesn't give a lot of info outside of, "Why would a player 'accidentally' expose a card here unless he was trying to deceive you?"

Another thing to consider is your venue... if you're one of the better players the last thing you want is for other people to start all of these goofy angles.

[crackerjack]

I would just like to state that these guys aren't my friends. I hang out with 1 person that plays there out of the 50 or so that show up. So I don't feel bad.
Like I said, nobody knows I made the move I made, so it looks like to them that I did it by mistake.

How can it not look like a split pot when I said "well, it looks like a split pot" the board was 3,4,4,4,10 he had the 10.
Are youkidding me? I would love for someone to have shown me the 3 in that spot. Then I would have insta-folded...
I would have folded anyway... why would you call all that money on the river to chance only splitting the small amount in the middle.
I still don't think what I did was that bad. Cause you are aloud to show your cards in a cash game... I just pretended I was doing it by mistake.