Pope John Paul II Miracle

[Bigdaddydvo]

A French Nun attributes her cure of Parkinson's disease to the late Pontiff. Especially interesting since Parkinson's is a degenerative nerve disease that shouldn't simply disappear. Also of note is that John Paul II suffered from this disease in his later years.

Here


As always, I'm curious for commentary from the faithful and skeptics alike.

BDD

[Hopey]

[ QUOTE ]
A French Nun attributes her cure of Parkinson's disease to the late Pontiff. Especially interesting since Parkinson's is a degenerative nerve disease that shouldn't simply disappear. Also of note is that John Paul II suffered from this disease in his later years.

Here


As always, I'm curious for commentary from the faithful and skeptics alike.

BDD

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I'm convinced. Praise the Lord!

[RoundGuy]

[ QUOTE ]
"I was 17 when John Paul became pope -- in a way he was my pope. I felt as if I had lost a friend

Convincing evidence of a miracle -- usually a medical cure with no scientific explanation -- is essential in the beatification process, the first step to sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church.

[/ QUOTE ]
Gee, you think she's an advocate for John Paul II's sainthood? No alterior motive there, eh?

[Bigdaddydvo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
"I was 17 when John Paul became pope -- in a way he was my pope. I felt as if I had lost a friend

Convincing evidence of a miracle -- usually a medical cure with no scientific explanation -- is essential in the beatification process, the first step to sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church.

[/ QUOTE ]
Gee, you think she's an advocate for John Paul II's sainthood? No alterior motive there, eh?

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course she advocates his Sainthood. But I doubt all the motivation in the world can make someone cure themselves of Parkinson's Disease.

[RoundGuy]

[ QUOTE ]
But I doubt all the motivation in the world can make someone cure themselves of Parkinson's Disease.

[/ QUOTE ]
Obviously. However, this "miracle" is based on two rather important assumptions: a) that she actually had Parkinson's, and b) that she is indeed cured. Neither of which I can be convinced of simply by reading this article. I'd like to see the interview with the "astonished" neurologist, and read the findings of the Vatican inquiry.

[Bigdaddydvo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
But I doubt all the motivation in the world can make someone cure themselves of Parkinson's Disease.

[/ QUOTE ]
Obviously. However, this "miracle" is based on two rather important assumptions: a) that she actually had Parkinson's, and b) that she is indeed cured. Neither of which I can be convinced of simply by reading this article. I'd like to see the interview with the "astonished" neurologist, and read the findings of the Vatican inquiry.

[/ QUOTE ]

All fair points, and I'd love read the inquiry as well.

The Church conducts a notoriously rigorous investigation of possible miracles and enters each investigation with the presumption that a miracle didn't happen. Thinking to statistics, the Church will much soon commit a Type I error (stating no miracle took place when one occurred) rather than a Type II error (proclaiming an event to be a miracle that turns out to be fraudulant).

[arahant]

[ QUOTE ]
Thinking to statistics, the Church will much soon commit a Type I error (stating no miracle took place when one occurred) rather than a Type II error (proclaiming an event to be a miracle that turns out to be fraudulant).

[/ QUOTE ]

This would be a much more relevant point if, say, miracles actually existed.

[SBR]

[ QUOTE ]


The Church conducts a notoriously rigorous investigation of possible miracles and enters each investigation with the presumption that a miracle didn't happen. Thinking to statistics, the Church will much soon commit a Type I error (stating no miracle took place when one occurred) rather than a Type II error (proclaiming an event to be a miracle that turns out to be fraudulant).

[/ QUOTE ]

Not to be pithy but how rigorous can an investigation into medical facts be if the organization doing the investigation believes the earth is 6000 years old.

[yukoncpa]

[ QUOTE ]
Obviously. However, this "miracle" is based on two rather important assumptions: a) that she actually had Parkinson's, and b) that she is indeed cured. Neither of which I can be convinced of simply by reading this article. I'd like to see the interview with the "astonished" neurologist, and read the findings of the Vatican inquiry.


[/ QUOTE ]
If her Parkinson's comes back, will the Pope's sainthood be revoked?

[Duke]

I don't like the word skepticism in this context, as it seems to imply that there is some grain of potential truth that is being scrutinized.