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Old 04-05-2007, 06:07 PM
FGators FGators is offline
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Default It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

As well as being called a donkey. Keep in mind I usually lead and then push over a raise but I was changing it up. Villain here is FrinkX. He hates me (I think). Hes pretty good and runs at 22/16 over 1000 hands. Keep in mind I don't raise here if the button doesn't make this bet. If there is an early lead I probably just call. Thought there could be some fold equity here since it was checked to him. Also once I put in $65 I thought I was getting a good enough price and couldn't be that dead if I were to call with the gutshot/ flush draw.

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Button ($200)
SB ($202.75)
Hero ($197)
UTG ($31.10)
MP ($413.35)
CO ($181.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $8, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($31) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $65</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $190</font>, Hero calls $122 (All-In).

Turn: ($408) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($408) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $408
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

Isn't post flop basically standard?
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

The bad things about this play - your not using your position well at all, because of UTG, I'd either b/3b flop or c/c it and hope UTG comes along to give me better odds. However, the fact is there is no way that getting a big combo draw in on the flop is ever really spew. Just ignore people f, seriously, they just want to piss you off so you'll break and tilt to them or something of that matter.
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

Lead out here to try to get UTG trapped then 3bt allin.
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

this is fine, but b3b is usually better

oh, and dont worry, frinkx hates everyone
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

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Lead out here to try to get UTG trapped then 3bt allin.

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I agree. When trying to get AI with a draw, it's always better to be the pusher, thus securing some profit in the form of FE.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

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Lead out here to try to get UTG trapped then 3bt allin.


[/ QUOTE ] I agree. When trying to get AI with a draw, it's always better to be the pusher, thus securing some profit in the form of FE.

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Isn't it easier by check raising here since there are two opponents. I think having the oppurunity to b/3b all in is significantly decreased by the fact that there are three people in this pot instead of just two.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

besides folding preflop, b/3b is your best line

we don't want to be putting in the last bet....we want villain to be calling OUR all-in (thus FE)
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:53 PM
wrschultz wrschultz is offline
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

This is totally standard, but like carrotsnake said, b/3/b is probably going to be better here, and then if you don't c/c is probably better. Still c/r is totally standard and fine, and not even close to 'spew' or 'unprofitable.'

Btw, I don't hate you!
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Old 04-05-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: It was called \"spew\" and \"unprofitable\"

The way the hand played out, you were getting about 2:1 on your money when villain put you all in and your about even money against an overpair, seems like an easy call. I would have lead and 3bet
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