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[mynameisjoe]

In order to be a great tournament player, one must...
Do many things. this poll is crap.

[Dromar]

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In order to be a great tournament player, one must...
Do many things. this poll is crap.

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Agree. Winning coin flips doesn't make you a great tourney player, and neither does avoiding them. But I can say that, in order to be a great tourney player, one must know that neither of the poll choices is a good answer.

[MaLiik]

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In order to be a great tournament player, one must...
Do many things. this poll is crap.

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Agree. Winning coin flips doesn't make you a great tourney player, and neither does avoiding them. But I can say that, in order to be a great tourney player, one must know that neither of the poll choices is a good answer.

[/ QUOTE ]which big tourneys have you won where you didn't get into coinflips? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[registrar]

It wasn't big, but I've certainly FT-ed a field of 150 without showing down a hand. I can't remember if I had any flips to close it out.

Edit: well, I doubled up first hand but nothing more.

[Dromar]

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In order to be a great tournament player, one must...
Do many things. this poll is crap.

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Agree. Winning coin flips doesn't make you a great tourney player, and neither does avoiding them. But I can say that, in order to be a great tourney player, one must know that neither of the poll choices is a good answer.

[/ QUOTE ]which big tourneys have you won where you didn't get into coinflips? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Irrelevant. Winning big tourneys is not a requisite of being a good tourney player.

Edit: And in the same manner, neither is winning coin flips.

[MaLiik]

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Irrelevant. Winning big tourneys is not a requisite of being a good tourney player.

Edit: And in the same manner, neither is winning coin flips.

[/ QUOTE ]I beg to differ, a bad player can win a few tourneys but the better player will always win more given a large enough sample. And winning coinflips doesn't make you a good players but there often a necessity for reaching the FT. Perhaps not in every tourney but most of the times you will get into coinflips at least one time in a torney.

[myxomatosized]

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In order to be a great tournament player, one must...
Do many things. this poll is crap.

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Agree. Winning coin flips doesn't make you a great tourney player, and neither does avoiding them. But I can say that, in order to be a great tourney player, one must know that neither of the poll choices is a good answer.

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qft. this poll did suck.

the point is obviously there's more to being a great tourney player than winning and/or avoiding coinflips. it is true, however that in order to win a tournament, you usually have to win a few coin flips on the way. just look at greg raymer in 04... he practically mad a career of winning coin flips (i'm not saying this does/doesn't make him a great player.)

on the other hand when you consider someone with a consistantly strong tournament track record like chris fergusen, it seems like he had a style where he'd rather avoid coinflips if at all possible early on. on the other hand, a great player will know when it's right situation to take a coinflip for your tournament life.

this poll was a bit rhetorical i guess. obviously winning coin flips does not make you a great poker player. i was just trying to spur some discussion on the issue of when it's right to take a coinflip for your tournament life.

for example, i believe it's almost always right to put the pressure on with AK before the flop becasue of the added fold equit you get. who wants to call all in with 6's, even though they would be slightly ahead if they did? on the other hand, sometimes you just want to see a flop with AK. like when you're medium stacked and your opponent has been known to be a bit of a skeptic and a calling station.

[DiscipleAA]

I voted for Win them, but only because both was not an option, Just tonight I have had to defend the "avoid coin flips" fold scenario multiple times, you cant avoid them all together, that is just not realistic, but knowing when to take a coin flip trumps both of the choices in this poll...

Hey Joe, who is the girl in your avatar... She is smokin hot...

[MaLiik]

I choose win flips, but the trick is to only go into coinflips with smaller stacks...