NL25: Great, flopped bottom two on ace high board, right?

[Scuba Chuck]

Hand is from memory:

Hero: $96
Villain: $24

6 handed

Hero dealt:6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, hero bets $1, button calls, SB calls, BB (villain) raises to $3.50, hero calls, 2 standard "Ed Miller bad folds" (these games are great).

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot: $9)
Villain bets $1.90, Hero calls

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot:$12.80)
Villain bets $3, Hero reluctantly calls (probably fold?)

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain allin, hero ez fold

Question: Anyone fold the turn?

Edit: To help with my flop play. Villain is relatively new to table over past 3 orbits, and has barely played a hand.

[spacetime]

This is an amazing flop for us and you need to be raising it. I am confused at what you are asking with your edit...or commenting?

[Scuba Chuck]

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This is an amazing flop for us and you need to be raising it. I am confused at what you are asking with your edit...or commenting?

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Is it really amazing for us?

[spacetime]

IMO yes. Short stack 3bets pf, we flop bottom two with an ace out there and he is betting...I dont really see what else you could want.

[Scuba Chuck]

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IMO yes. Short stack 3bets pf, we flop bottom two with an ace out there and he is betting...I dont really see what else you could want.

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Any chance you're still thinking Level 1?

[Vyse]

Lmfao, no, it's a great flop. Plz raise.

[Scuba Chuck]

All right, I'll go through this one.

On the flop, I'm either WA/WB. I'll make my decision on the turn. Based on any normal hand range I put villain on, I'm likely a very good favorite against his range, and there aren't too many cards that really hurt me on the turn, so I'll know his hand by the turn.

There's clearly EVERY reason to shove/raise (believe me, I'm capable of doing this with worse) here just based on math, but villain bet $1.90 into a $9 pot. Donks are donks. This, IME, is a pretty big tell.

Board: Ad 6s 7c
Hand 0: 24.444% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 75.556% { 7d6d }

On the turn, that's one of two cards that concerns me the most. I now have lost a ton of equity in this hand, and this now is either a call or fold (these are my thoughts in game). The question about this being a fold is because I don't know how much more of a river bet I'm willing to call.

Board: Ad 6s 7c Kc
Hand 0: 48.019% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 51.981% { 7d6d }

So I called, and again, cards come as they come. There's only 4 kings and 3 aces in the unknown cards. That's only 7 cards. I'll live with those results. Not being results-oriented.

Hand 0: 100.000% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 00.000% { 7d6d }

[Jouster777]

This is more "somewhat ahead/WB"
Board: Ad 6s 7c
Hand 0: 24.444% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 75.556% { 7d6d }

As we saw, 2-pair is a vulnerable hand. In addition, most of the range we beat pays us on the flop but that decreases dramatically on the turn (villains are semi-aware of the Baluga theorem too). I think you have to bet this flop for both information and extraction.

[Scuba Chuck]

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This is more "somewhat ahead/WB"
Board: Ad 6s 7c
Hand 0: 24.444% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 75.556% { 7d6d }

As we saw, 2-pair is a vulnerable hand. In addition, most of the range we beat pays us on the flop but that decreases dramatically on the turn (villains are semi-aware of the Baluga theorem too). I think you have to bet this flop for both information and extraction.

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What exactly does betting the flop for information do for you?

As an aside, I'm not that concerned about how vulnerable our hand is. It's roughly equal to the following preflop situation.

Hand 0: 73.596% { AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 26.404% { AQs, AQo }

[Jouster777]

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What exactly does betting the flop for information do for you?

[/ QUOTE ] Obviously the specifics are all highly dependent on your read but in general if he goes nuts on the flop we have a decision to make but it is probably better to make it here than to get extracted upon on later streets while the range we beat shrinks (big time RIO situation). If he just calls we are a bit more likely to be ahead and we have likely generated the option of checking behind on turn if we choose to take it. If he folds its not a bad result.


I didn't understand what you are getting at with the AK vs. AQ situation. Some similarities in % differences but when AK is ahead it crushes AQ unlike in this situation with very bad RIO.