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Old 03-29-2007, 11:33 PM
Sorcerer808 Sorcerer808 is offline
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Default 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

Villain is running 57/2/0.4 over 50 hands
Do you call his shove?

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Old 03-29-2007, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

I'm not folding this hand against this type of player ever. If he has you beat it sucks, but that's poker.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

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I'm not folding this hand against this type of player ever. If he has you beat it sucks, but that's poker.

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it's only 50 hands
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

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it's only 50 hands

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57/2 over 50 hands is a lot more likely to be a terrible donk than a statistical fluke.
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:01 AM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

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I'm not folding this hand against this type of player ever. If he has you beat it sucks, but that's poker.

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What exactly do you put him on here that we beat?
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

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I'm not folding this hand against this type of player ever. If he has you beat it sucks, but that's poker.

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What exactly do you put him on here that we beat?

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basicly any ace, a flushdraw, a pair + flushdraw, random crap, so we beat most of his range.

dont try to overthink this against a 57/2 player
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:00 AM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

Raise the flop. As you didn't, I prolly still call the turn. Would've felt better going broke if it went in on flop though [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:44 AM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

I've had a bunch of hands like this recently where villain is crazy overbetting and pushing flop and/or turn. Obviously each of their ranges are different, but...

It seems very rare that a player like this has the nuts in a situation like this without any history with you. It's most likely done with weak, marginal holdings like a ragged 2pr, top pair medium kicker or even bottom pair. I'd be very surprised to see a set or top two if I called here, and call I would.

Entirely different if he's been messsing with you a lot with this sort of push recently and you've been calling and snapping him off. Especially if he's had to reload a couple of times because of it. Then I'd be a bit more hesitant in looking him up.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: 100NL : weird spot, who calls?

I'm happy to call down until he shoves ON the K. The K is supposed to be your card. I would fold this here without reads.

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Old 03-29-2007, 11:48 PM
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I'm happy to call down until he shoves ON the K. The K is supposed to be your card. I would fold this here without reads.

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I think a 57/2 player is stupid enough to shove here with a whoooole lotta hands that we beat, regardless of the king on the turn. Plus, his line here looks a lot more like he wants us to fold than call.

Even given his low aggression factor, I think that it's very possibly just variance over a small sample size. A villian playing over half their hands isn't going to exactly be hitting a lot of flops hard, but that doesn't mean that he still couldn't be the type of player to go nuts here with an AJ or flush draw.
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