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Old 03-29-2007, 11:26 AM
Rakshasa Rakshasa is offline
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Default QQ vs river shove

Villain (UTG) is passive, 26/11/1.5, only note on him is that he limped 99 OTB

UTG ($101) limps
MP ($19) limps
Button folds
SB folds
Hero ($112) on BB raises to $5 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls
MP calls

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($15.50)
Hero bets $10
UTG calls
MP folds

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($35.50)
Hero checks (with intention to CRAI)
UTG checks behind

River 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($35.50)

Hero bets $20
UTG pushes AI ($86)


Pot is 141 and it's 66 for me to call
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:31 AM
Suigin406 Suigin406 is offline
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

bet more on flop...weak flop + turn check + somewhat weak river lead might have induced a bluff here...

this spot sux, he might just be trying to push u around, except that he's passive and not very aggressive...

we've underrepped our hand, but i might still fold here, is he really doing this with A10??

EDIT: though...a set would have repopped flop with MP still in the hand...aiy, he is passive, but i guess a set is less likely...
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

Bet $20-$25 on turn and take it down.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

Yeah, I don't want to get fancy vs. a passive opponent on turn. I'd just bet it since I don't think he'll bet often enough to make crai more profitable than a bet.
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:49 AM
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vb the passive types, no reason to really get tricky...
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Old 03-29-2007, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

river is very suspicious, I cant see any holding that fits his line.

I call.

And I bet the turn, c/r is a bad idea imo.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

Yeah I should've def bet the turn vs this guy. Call if he pushes over a turn bet right, even though he is passive so I suppose a boat will be a huuuuge part of his push range and Tx very small and FD decent part.

Also Suigin406 you said my flop bet was weak, but it's 2/3 of the pot. How much would you bet here? I usually keep my CBETs around 2/3 wheter I have it or not.

Some9: I can see this guy checking behind on the turn with a boat here to let me catch up or bluff the river. I think Tx is out of his holding by the river because I doubt this player would value push those hands here so I guess it's down to either some crazed missed fd bluff or a boat.
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Old 03-29-2007, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

river is either 55 or a bluff, I call
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs river shove

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vb the passive types, no reason to really get tricky...

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QFT

Probably fold river, unlikey he is bluff raising. It also seems unlikely that he'd check behind turn with AT etc. then raise river.
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