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Old 03-25-2007, 03:04 PM
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Default A7s easy c/f?

the cold calling villan is v. taggy, seems like a strong player. hero is taggy. flop was a hopeful bet/3-bet AI but it didnt work like that. this is a c/f on turn right?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
orange: $200.05
UTG+1: $299.30
CO: $240.90
Button: $404.15
SB: $75.70
BB: $276.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) orange is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">orange raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($40, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">orange bets $35</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
orange c/fs?
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: A7s easy c/f?

To become an expert unlimited hold them player one must learn to apply pressure by firing what is known as a double barrel bluff because KK and JJ 3-bet preflop and you would expect him to raise such a drawy flop with a real hand.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: A7s easy c/f?

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To become an expert unlimited hold them player one must learn to apply pressure by firing what is known as a double barrel bluff because KK and JJ 3-bet preflop and you would expect him to raise such a drawy flop with a real hand.

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so you shove? or just bet $80/call shove?
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: A7s easy c/f?

Meh, probably $85/call a shove.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:34 PM
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Meh, probably $85/call a shove.

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Ditto. You bet into a 5-way flop after an UTG raise. I think you'll get a lot of respect from a second barrel here.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: A7s easy c/f?

If you don't want to definitely bet the turn, it's probably not wise to bet the flop - as in a family pot situation your cbet is gonna catch at least one caller.

I'll check this flop at times.

Anyways, as played, bet turn - kit summed it up nicely.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:43 PM
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No way do you CF here. Second barrel is a must. I'd bet about 80-95 here, leaning toward more rather than less. You have an overcard and a flush draw, with the natural FE that comes from an UTG raise. You know he doesn't have AA/KK/JJ in all likelihood, and you're not dead even if he does.

If you're not going to 2 barrel here, when are you going to?!?!?
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Old 03-25-2007, 04:51 PM
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Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
orange c/fs?

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I'm probably not as strong a player as you, but WTF @ folding??

Decent players know how to fold, and decent players know to raise the flop on a drawy board with a monster hand. I like a c/r on the turn here for those reasons. We rep a monster hand by doing that, as well as fold out already made hands (88-TT/AJ/KQ). On top of that, we have a bunch of outs. If he ever floats, all the better.
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Old 03-25-2007, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: A7s easy c/f?

I check/raiseee
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Old 03-25-2007, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: A7s easy c/f?

i botched this hand bad. after looking back at it, bet/call and c/r ai both work. i think villan would raise a set/2p nearly always ont he flop. i had a brain fart and c/f-ed to his shove.
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