Two easy folds?? in 3bet pots 5/10nl & 10/20nl checkup

[tagtastic]

Easy folds or no? I'm runnning at 20/16/3 for these hands.


Hand #1: Villain is running 28/14/1.5 over 89 hands. Haven't really played a pot with him yet.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1634
tagtastic: $1042
CO: $1414
Button: $1293.50
SB: $1171.50
BB: $666.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) tagtastic is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">tagtastic raises to $120</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($255, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">tagtastic bets $190</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $440</font>, easy fold? check behind? arrrrrr-in?


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Hand #2: Villain is 25/19/6 - a good regular. No relevant history, but I believe he has gotten the better of me most times we've tangled in the past. He hasn't been out of line at all so far at this table. Comments welcome on all streets.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
tagtastic: $3555.35
CO: $2042.80
Button: $4814
SB: $2261.35
BB: $2007

Pre-flop: (5 players) tagtastic is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">tagtastic raises to $70</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $220</font>, tagtastic calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($450, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $375</font>, tagtastic calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1200, 2 players)
BB checks, tagtastic checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1200, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $757</font>, another easy fold? take a different line? call all day?

[BobboFitos]

both are calls

[tagtastic]

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both are calls

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in hand #1, calling leaves me with $482 in an $1135 pot, whats the plan for the turn then?

[BobboFitos]

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both are calls

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in hand #1, calling leaves me with $482 in an $1135 pot, whats the plan for the turn then?

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get the money in, obv just shoving the rest in on the flop is fine.

[tagtastic]

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get the money in, obv just shoving the rest in on the flop is fine.

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k, that's what I figured you meant.. I just feel like my hand is face up at this point, what does a not-hugely-aggro opponent c/r me with here that I beat?

[BobboFitos]

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get the money in, obv just shoving the rest in on the flop is fine.

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k, that's what I figured you meant.. I just feel like my hand is face up at this point, what does a not-hugely-aggro opponent c/r me with here that I beat?

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air, draw, split, kq.

[Newt_Buggs]

If you don't feel that you can call a c/r in hand 1 maybe it would be better to check behind on the flop?

[tagtastic]

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If you don't feel that you can call a c/r in hand 1 maybe it would be better to check behind on the flop?

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Checking is probably better against a more aggressive opponent when it may induce a bluff (although against an aggressive opponent I'd probably call/push a flop c/r happily). Against this particular opponent, I think betting for value might be best. If I do check vs. this guy, it would probably save me money when I'm beat, but it lets him possibly catch up cheap too on a drawy board - I think a bet/fold is probably best, but it's close.