Annoying turn

[Guy McSucker]

FT 5/10.

I raise 88 UTG.

A relative unknown with 50/10 preflop stats and a subzero aggression factor calls. You could say he was loose-passive. The BB who is a 30/20 overaggressive type calls too.

Flop: 9 7 4 two diamonds. BB checks, I bet, Mr Loose Passive calls, BB folds.

Turn: another 7. I bet, he raises.

He's never raised the turn before.

Look him up or do the decent thing?

Guy.

[jstill]

ehhh thats a pretty annoying one actually.... how many hands is this over and what position did he cold call in (not sure how much that would change it for me)?

I honestly think I end up looking him up since hes basically an unknown and hands like JT fds and other stupid hands (weak pairs) freeshowdown this turn card too much to bet fold?

would anyone have any question about bet calling down if the board was 754dd 7 instead or something like that?

[Guy McSucker]

He was in the CO.

I've only been playing with him for 50 hands or so but all I can say is he like to call and he does not like to bet or raise. He's had some good hands and good draws and been checking and calling.

Guy.

[colgin]

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He was in the CO.

I've only been playing with him for 50 hands or so but all I can say is he like to call and he does not like to bet or raise. He's had some good hands and good draws and been checking and calling.

Guy.

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Even though it has been only 50hands it sounds as if you have a pretty solid read. And that read is clearly telling you to "Fold.

[Veron]

Yeah I say you have to fold here. Your sample size small but this guy is like 50/10/0 and he raises the turn on a board where you only beat a bluff or something fancy you think he's not capable of raising.

I would fold instantly.

[danzasmack]

This is either a stone cold bluff or the stone cold nuts.

Call and see the nuts or fold to the bluff. Honestly this is 50/50 with me.

[Veron]

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He was in the CO.

I've only been playing with him for 50 hands or so but all I can say is he like to call and he does not like to bet or raise. He's had some good hands and good draws and been checking and calling.

Guy.

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This is easily enough for me to fold the hand. Calling down and hoping villain is bluffing is just -EV here. I'm really surprised that many posters advocate calling down.

[MacGuyV]

To be good here he has to be fsd raising a worse hand or floating w/ a flopped draw...
I just think 7x, 9x (seems like the type of donk that could play AA like this too) are so much more likely that it's a routine muck.

[dano]

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To be good here he has to be fsd raising a worse hand or floating w/ a flopped draw...
I just think 7x, 9x (seems like the type of donk that could play AA like this too) are so much more likely that it's a routine muck.

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agreed.

[jstill]

honestly tho does anyone fold 9x (one ud raise UTG A9o K9s Q9s maybe if thats ur bag) or TT here? if yes in the original post but no here whats changed dramatically enough for that difference ( i just dont think 9x is a huge part of his range here in the least, particularly if u all are conducting under the premise hes loose passive and only raising strong hands: overpairs, 7x or boats)? I would think a draw would be more of his range even as a loose passive over a small sample size than a bare 9 on this board with this action (if he'd raise those holdings 9x I dont think we can say our read is accurate and would have to totally adjust his range).

Im not saying its not a fold in the original post btw, just wanna hear some more. Particularly since in the past, board pairings are where I typically have seen fishy players make their complete bluffs, semi-bluffs or spews with weak pairs they should just calldown with.