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Calling down w/middle pair
Villain here is fairly aggro (40/20) and I haven't seen him do much to get totally outta line.
I open w/JdTd UTG, Villain in CO calls as down BB Flop K64r I bet villain calls BB folds Turn Jc putting 2 clubs on the board. I bet villain raises, I call. Villain range could be Kx, Jx and semibluffing a flush draw so I'm not totally convinced I'm behind when he raises the turn. River Kh I c/c. Standard? |
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Re: Calling down w/middle pair
What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to).
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Re: Calling down w/middle pair
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What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to). [/ QUOTE ] Checking that flop is a mistake b/c I take it down UI often enough to make it +EV. On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. What would you do w/AK here? K64r is also a great flop to bet at b/c its as unlikely to hit the other hands as it is to hit mine. I don't really have a range of his cold calling hands b/c well, he's likely to have a wide range. I think he cold calls w/a lot of Ax, Kx, Qx Jx and PP type hands. C/Cing the turn was the debate I was having when I made this post. I was afraid of letting my opponent draw very cheaply b/c he could def have Ax, Qx, various gutters and flush draws. |
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Re: Calling down w/middle pair
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[ QUOTE ] What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to). [/ QUOTE ] Checking that flop is a mistake b/c I take it down UI often enough to make it +EV. On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. What would you do w/AK here? K64r is also a great flop to bet at b/c its as unlikely to hit the other hands as it is to hit mine. I don't really have a range of his cold calling hands b/c well, he's likely to have a wide range. I think he cold calls w/a lot of Ax, Kx, Qx Jx and PP type hands. C/Cing the turn was the debate I was having when I made this post. I was afraid of letting my opponent draw very cheaply b/c he could def have Ax, Qx, various gutters and flush draws. [/ QUOTE ] Most agro 40/20 guys who cc'ed pf will call if they hit a K and raise otherwise. I've basically never seen them fold. If you turn the K into an A, you have a shot at taking this down UI, but otherwise I think I'm with admiral. |
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Re: Calling down w/middle pair
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to). [/ QUOTE ] Checking that flop is a mistake b/c I take it down UI often enough to make it +EV. On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. What would you do w/AK here? K64r is also a great flop to bet at b/c its as unlikely to hit the other hands as it is to hit mine. I don't really have a range of his cold calling hands b/c well, he's likely to have a wide range. I think he cold calls w/a lot of Ax, Kx, Qx Jx and PP type hands. C/Cing the turn was the debate I was having when I made this post. I was afraid of letting my opponent draw very cheaply b/c he could def have Ax, Qx, various gutters and flush draws. [/ QUOTE ] Most agro 40/20 guys who cc'ed pf will call if they hit a K and raise otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] gee i cant think of a way to exploit this! |
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On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I get this. How does an isolated turn check make you predictable? Never checking the turn makes you unpredictable? Or are you concerned with looking predictable, and, if so, why? |
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[ QUOTE ] On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I get this. How does an isolated turn check make you predictable? Never checking the turn makes you unpredictable? Or are you concerned with looking predictable, and, if so, why? [/ QUOTE ] Its not so much the isolated check that makes me look predictable, its this check in conjunction with how I've been playing the rest of my hands. I really don't want him to think that when I bet the flop and check the turn I don't have top pair. If he thinks that, he will fold a lot more turns correctly and bet a lot more turns when I check even when he has complete air. On top of that, he will also start calling my flop bet more often b/c he feels he can take the pot away from me on the turn. |
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Re: Calling down w/middle pair
"What is he cold calling with preflop? "
he's 40/20. so alot. and he's peeling with alot too. c/fing this flop is laughable. |
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Standard? [/ QUOTE ] Yes |
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Re: Calling down w/middle pair
This line is fine but why is betting the turn better than check/calling the turn?
Does he have clubs? Most of these guys raise the flop with clubs, no? Does he ever take a free card here? I'm asking, not telling. |
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