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BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.15/$0.3 10 players Converter Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 3 folds, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls. Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.47SB, 5 players) <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls... n00b question for you: How many outs do I have? I think I'm definitely correct to call here. |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
n00b question for you--how many outs do you reckon we have?
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
I got this far:
On the turn best cards I can hope for are 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two cards). With them I have 15 outs from turn to river With any other [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 cards) 9 outs from turn to river. With non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 or J (6 cards) 8 outs from turn to river. With non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q or 6 (6 cards) 4 outs from turn to river. My math is little rusty so I was hoping you could help. |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
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I got this far: On the turn best cards I can hope for are 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two cards). With them I have 15 outs from turn to river With any other [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 cards) 9 outs from turn to river. With non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 or J (6 cards) 8 outs from turn to river. With non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q or 6 (6 cards) 4 outs from turn to river. My math is little rusty so I was hoping you could help. [/ QUOTE ] there are so many things wrong with what you are thinking - it's too hard to begin ... how about you start with "from FLOP to turn to river" ... how about you include action after you act ... my head hurts |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
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I think I'm definitely correct to call here. [/ QUOTE ] huh ... where in the hell am i [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
0 Gap BDSD: 1.5 Outs
BDFD: 1.5 outs Total: 3 outs Statement that "I'm definately correct to call here": Priceless. Sorry I couldn't resist. Seriously though, if you want add those up for 3 outs we'll be needing 14ish:1 odds, which we aren't getting. |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
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0 Gap BDSD: 1.5 Outs BDFD: 1.5 outs Total: 3 outs Statement that "I'm definately correct to call here": Priceless. Sorry I couldn't resist. Seriously though, if you want add those up for 3 outs we'll be needing 14ish:1 odds, which we aren't getting. [/ QUOTE ]Always glad to amuse you with my n00bness [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. What about the implied odds? |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
easy 3bet preflop
as played fold flop |
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
Since both of your draws are backdoor, you can't complete your draw until the river. Thus, there is little to no value betting on the turn. Our expressed odds are poor enough that it is likely for our implied odds to also not be profitable. Some turn cards may give you a strong draw (J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) most will blow your hand out of the water. Some will be in between.
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Re: BDFD + BDSD How many outs? (T9s)
I should have takes this to the beginners forum or looked for it in SSHE. I'm just too hungry and tired at the moment to for any logical thinking. Sorry and thanks for answering [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I'm definitely going to eat something, play 150 raked hands at party with my last strength and go to bed. And nice suckout then (my dumbness was rewarded): Party Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.15/$0.3 10 players Converter Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 3 folds, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls. Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.47SB, 5 players) <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls. Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.23BB, 4 players) <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds. River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.23BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Results: Final pot: 13.23BB Edited to add: I thought there could be some strange voodoo with having BDFD and no gap BDSD at the same time which would give me huge amount of outs. But I was WRONG.. AGAIN. Thank you Zeldark for your patience. |
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