Am I an idiot or a genius? stars 750k hand

[Roman]

No reads, so am I a bluffin genius?

He autochecks to me on flop

PokerStars Game #3952498322: Tournament #18784049, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2006/02/12 - 19:14:59 (ET)
Table '18784049 727' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Denroid (12470 in chips)
Seat 2: cujohouse (14760 in chips)
Seat 3: TitleMike (17190 in chips)
Seat 4: mole8284 (12935 in chips)
Seat 5: johnny0404 (7700 in chips)
Seat 6: northerngent (8090 in chips)
Seat 7: Shawn Fry (4160 in chips)
Seat 8: Empire2000 (14940 in chips)
Seat 9: bostonfred (9924 in chips)
Denroid: posts the ante 50
cujohouse: posts the ante 50
TitleMike: posts the ante 50
mole8284: posts the ante 50
johnny0404: posts the ante 50
northerngent: posts the ante 50
Shawn Fry: posts the ante 50
Empire2000: posts the ante 50
bostonfred: posts the ante 50
bostonfred: posts small blind 400
Denroid: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Empire2000 [9d Qd]
cujohouse: folds
TitleMike: folds
mole8284: folds
johnny0404: folds
northerngent: folds
Shawn Fry: folds
Empire2000: calls 800
bostonfred: folds
Denroid: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Jd Js]
Denroid: checks
Empire2000: bets 1800
Denroid: raises 2200 to 4000
Empire2000: raises 10090 to 14090 and is all-in

[servitup]

with no read, you're just gambling. might as well go play roulette.

[KneeCo]

For risk/reward reasons, and because you're not in a position to need to make a move, I really don't like this without a read. Why the pf limp?

[betgo]

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For risk/reward reasons, and because you're not in a position to need to make a move, I really don't like this without a read. Why the pf limp?

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see what's wrong with limping on the button with Q9s.

It seems like hero and villain have gotten into a bluffing war. If either of them had a jack, they would slowplay it, so they must both be bluffing.

[Ansky]

I don't know how many people will bluff raise you here with nothing. As a default, I'd say not too many. However, timing tells, and table conditions obviously change that. I have done things like this before and my results are mixed.

I assume the pf limp is very table dependant, and dependant on players in the blinds.

[KneeCo]

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I assume the pf limp is very table dependant, and dependant on players in the blinds.

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I would have assumed the same, except that the OP says no read on the BB at least and stack sizes don't seem to be terribly adverse to a raise.

[derosnec]

Reraising a reraiser AI? You've got heart kiddo.

[Exitonly]

Idiot ----------------AVG--roman---------------Genius

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that 'one click' away from being a miniraise doesnt really feel like a J. but .. that doesn't seem like the most reliable 'tell'.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

Roman,

To me it looks fine, the only gripe I'd have is that if this was me versus you, I'd think if you had a real hand you'd probably just call my flop CR.

-Jason

[Ansky]

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To me it looks fine, the only gripe I'd have is that if this was me versus you, I'd think if you had a real hand you'd probably just call my flop CR.

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I was thinking this as well, but the problem is that this is a total bluff, and we are putting our opponent on a total bluff as well most likely. I mean, he's folding ace high, and probably a 3, but he's never folding a jack.