$16t TT v BB

Bryn · #1 03-08-2007, 02:26 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed)

Hero (t1510)
MP2 (t1165)
CO (t3095)
Button (t3270)
SB (t1650)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1350)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls t30, 4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60.

Turn: (t195) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t195) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t270, Hero ?

Would normally fold this but the river overbet made me think perhaps a busted flush draw.

Would you bet turn?

ICEwataNveins · #2 03-08-2007, 02:40 PM

As played you should fold to the river bet. No need to play a big pot at this stage with 3rd pair. PF you should be open raising 10's almost 100% of the time. You have a strong hand and should make people pay to see a flop. Also if u raise pf this is a perfect board for a c-bet to see where u stand.

Bryn · #3 03-08-2007, 02:59 PM

Raising TT here is not +$EV.

ChadK · #4 03-08-2007, 03:04 PM

I would raise preflop also 4-5 BB. If you of the school of thought that TT is not +EV here then you are only playing it for set value and fold it.

FeNeF · #5 03-08-2007, 03:08 PM

I don't really understand why people automatically think that limping TT here means we have to fold it even if we flop an overpair. Limping does not mean we are playing it only for set value. FWIW I think preflop is fine as played and raising is fine too, it's not a huge deal.

As for postflop, I think you played it well, and now you have to fold the river. I don't think we have enough info to put him squarely on busted clubs.

DeuceSeven · #6 03-08-2007, 04:02 PM

You played it fine. Raising and limping pf are ok. As played I almost always fold the river.

Luisgallo · #7 03-09-2007, 12:06 PM

The only reason why, in this particular case, I never limp is my position.

Do you really want to play a board 5 8 J with 5 handed? with 3 acting after you?

ICEwataNveins · #8 03-08-2007, 09:52 PM

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Raising TT here is not +$EV.

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???????? im open to other points of view but if your gonna tell me its -EV to raise w/ 10's then give me some type of logic behind your statement. hell why dont we just limp eveery hand w/ any two and just hope to hit a good flop.

FeNeF · #9 03-08-2007, 10:13 PM

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Raising TT here is not +$EV.

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???????? im open to other points of view but if your gonna tell me its -EV to raise w/ 10's then give me some type of logic behind your statement. hell why dont we just limp eveery hand w/ any two and just hope to hit a good flop.

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This doesn't make sense.

Raising TT is undoubtedly +EV. The question is whether limping is more so.

Bryn · #10 03-09-2007, 01:19 AM

Raising TT is going to be +cEV but breakevan $EV in the early levels most of the time. I find I get more value out of the hand by flopping an overpair and getting chips off TPTK. I'm also going to lose too many chips when my cont bet gets played back at if i raise.