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Okay, I think this hand is pretty interesting because of the table dynamics.
First, here's the hand itself: Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game 6 Players LegoPoker Hand Converter <font color="black">Stack Sizes</font> UTG: $2425.10 Hero (MP): $1596.20 CO: $1352.60 BTN: $2752.35 SB: $692.75 BB: $787 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($9, 6 players) <font color="red">UTG raises to $18</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $74</font>, CO calls $74, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $56 <font color="black">Flop:</font> 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($231, 3 players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $150</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $425</font> FWIW, CO thought for a while before raising, his 15 second warning went off. UTG is one of the worst players I've seen since Party, he's 60/40 3.0!, will call any amount of pre flop action with any two cards, will try to make horrible bluffs with any two, etc. He has also been running sick hot, building a $3k stack at one point. The table consists of 4 regulars and the uberdonk. There is a tremendous amount of preflop cold calling going on with everyone trying to hit a hand, because of the stack sizes and spewing going on by the donk. This includes ALOT of cold calling of 3 bets with cards that can make a big hand. CO is a regular, running about 25/18 3.0. We have not tangled at the table so far, the pots we've been in have been pretty straight forward. I don't have a great read on him yet, but I get the feeling he is probably a little tighter than 25/18 because of the amount of cold calling going on, he is certainly steamed at the donk, and has a solid understanding of the hands he can play pre flop because of the huge implied odds. In short: I believe his range to call my 3bet is pretty damn wide because he KNOWS the donk is calling 100% of the time. CO knows I'm multitabling, and sees me as a 22/16 TAG. If he is paying attention, I suspect he knows that I'm a thinking player based on my play against donk. I have been cold calling the donk alot for implieds, and 3 betting for value with stronger hands. I have not been trying to get fancy, I am trying to stack donk 200bb+ deep. Also, just for fun, here are a couple hands to show you the quality of the donkey: $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game 6 Players LegoPoker Hand Converter <font color="black">Stack Sizes</font> BTN: $2314 Hero (SB): $540 BB: $3210.6 UTG: $2335.05 MP: $657.75 CO: $611 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9, 6 players) UTG calls $6, MP folds, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $24</font>, Hero calls $21, BB calls $18, UTG calls $18 <font color="black">Flop:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($96, 4 players) Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $96</font>, Hero calls $96, BB folds, UTG folds <font color="black">Turn:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($288, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all in for $2,194</font>, Hero calls all in for $423 Uncalled bet of $1771 returned to BTN <font color="black">River:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($1134, 2 players) No action <font color="black">Results:</font> BTN had 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Fours) Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Fours) and won $1,131 Final Pot: $1131.00 ($3.00 rake) Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game 6 Players LegoPoker Hand Converter <font color="black">Stack Sizes</font> SB: $3124.1 Hero (BB): $930.2 UTG: $1125.60 MP: $2716.35 CO: $701.75 BTN: $1017 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($9, 6 players) UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $3, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, SB calls $24 <font color="black">Flop:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($60, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $60</font>, SB calls $60 <font color="black">Turn:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($180, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $150</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $300</font>, Hero calls $150 <font color="black">River:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($780, 2 players) <font color="red">SB bets $276</font>, Hero calls $276 <font color="black">Results:</font> SB had 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Tens) Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Tens) and won $1,329 Final Pot: $1329.00 ($3.00 rake) |
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what did utg do after co raised
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Sorry, he folded.
I will note that that stupid idiot could call with a naked 8c. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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i think that if your read is right here with the donmk that a good idea is to call here, foldign would be 2 tight and then if the turn is a non club u can play it very agressively. On the flop if u set him all in and he calls ur equity isnt that good even against the non flush hands so i prefer to wait until the turn to play this very agressively
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i think that if your read is right here with the donmk that a good idea is to call here, foldign would be 2 tight and then if the turn is a non club u can play it very agressively. On the flop if u set him all in and he calls ur equity isnt that good even against the non flush hands so i prefer to wait until the turn to play this very agressively [/ QUOTE ] Just to note, the raiser is not the donkey. My point with the donkey discussion is to try to explain table conditions and how I felt that affected hand ranges here. Not sure if you misunderstood who the hand was against or not. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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[ QUOTE ] i think that if your read is right here with the donmk that a good idea is to call here, foldign would be 2 tight and then if the turn is a non club u can play it very agressively. On the flop if u set him all in and he calls ur equity isnt that good even against the non flush hands so i prefer to wait until the turn to play this very agressively [/ QUOTE ] Just to note, the raiser is not the donkey. My point with the donkey discussion is to try to explain table conditions and how I felt that affected hand ranges here. Not sure if you misunderstood who the hand was against or not. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] ya sry i did misunderstand that, well if ur out of pos to a good player here you could strongly consider folding, especially if your out of position |
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surely his range is still mostly big pairs, with the CC pre, right?
in a normal situation, i would call, and bomb a blank turn (most likely shoving) here, I think it's a lot closer since it sucks to give up a big stack when you have the jesus seat on the megadonk with a big stack, and since apparently his CCing range is a bit wider, and contains a lot more hands that have us in bad->realbad shape the fact that you lose so much future EV when you lose this pot might swing it to a fold |
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surely his range is still mostly big pairs, with the CC pre, right? in a normal situation, i would call, and bomb a blank turn (most likely shoving) here, I think it's a lot closer since it sucks to give up a big stack when you have the jesus seat on the megadonk with a big stack, and since apparently his CCing range is a bit wider, and contains a lot more hands that have us in bad->realbad shape the fact that you lose so much future EV when you lose this pot might swing it to a fold [/ QUOTE ] agreed. though i'm guessing i'd prolly end up calling and c/f turn. |
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You have to push it to the limit w/o a doubt.
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You have to push it to the limit w/o a doubt. [/ QUOTE ] how about you give your reasoning for once instead of just trolling? |
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