Tricky QQ versus nitty EP raiser

[FoldEqu1ty]

After 3500 Hands MP is 20/7/1.5, and 23wtsd%, 58won$SD%. With the large gap between his 7pfr and 20vpip, we can deduce that he is most likely limping in EP with his small and medium pairs, and raising with premiums only. I felt that versus such a tight range, a 3-bet was largely pointless, and it was best to call and and fold postflop to any major action if unimproved. All four streets are obviously highly debatable, and I would like if you can find a raise or a fold on any of these streets.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed)

UTG ($201.65)
MP ($99.25)
Hero ($106.65)
SB ($144.50)
BB ($104.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $7</font>, Hero calls $7, BB folds

Turn: ($26.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

River: ($50.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $25</font>, Hero calls $25.

Final Pot: $100.50

[JustToast]

As played pre-flop i think you're fine post.

I'm 50/50 on a 3-bet pre. I hate calling half a stack off postflop to see him flip AA or KK when we could have escaped at $12 if he pushes.

[.xxxx.]

if his stats are 20/7, i'm still 3-betting QQ preflop here
tight opponents that raise so few holdings are going to reveal their hand strengths more than any other type and this is a perfect opportunity to gain information with a great hand. I think we need to clear up the preflop decision before the postflop is discussed.

side information
pokerstove has 88+,ATs+,KTs+,AQo+ as the top 7%

[FoldEqu1ty]

[ QUOTE ]
if his stats are 20/7, i'm still 3-betting QQ preflop here
tight opponents that raise so few holdings are going to reveal their hand strengths more than any other type and this is a perfect opportunity to gain information with a great hand. I think we need to clear up the preflop decision before the postflop is discussed.

side information
pokerstove has 88+,ATs+,KTs+,AQo+ as the top 7%

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His PFR% in EP wil be &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; 7%

[Jay Riall]

He's not in EP, he's CO.

[ronitonline]

I guess in 5 handed he considers that EP?

[ronitonline]

I agree that you can still 3bet PF and probably fold to a 4bet, but given that he is so tight, he probably will not be 4betting with less than AA/KK and probably just calling with AK. Atleast you have then shown strength PF, since you just called PF he can put you on just about any 2 decent cards and just bet out at you, therefor we are not sure what he has.
Looks like he might have caught a set somewhere in there, I dont see him having anything else that beats you.

[mutiger91]

5-handed, I'm not sure how you can eliminate AK or AQ (the 8 ways that are left) from his possible holdings. Were all of the hands those stats came from at 6-max tables?

Regardless, I can understand a call preflop to see if a dangerous card like an A or K hits the flop. Why not reraise him on the flop? (More a question for me, than a suggestion that this is the best play.) You will get immediate info about where you are if he calls and you might even get a free look at the river. If he raises, you are clearly done.

[mertzo]

The more i think about it a flop raise isnt that bad. You loose value from 88/99/JJ and maybe AT. But youll never have to se an overcard, and you will have a good insight abouth where you are at. And the value you loose from above hands isnt that big of a deal.

[killphilNI]

I reraise pf and cbet flop. I muck if he 4b preflop or c/r flop.