100 NL AA OOP, 3 handed, is this a turn push?

SimaoMacaco · #1 02-26-2007, 02:25 PM

No Limit, 200 BB deep, with blinds of $0.25/$0.50

SB has 35.96
BB has 164.06
UTG+2 has 51.30
UTG+3 has 136.78
UTG+4 has 77.05
UTG+5 Hero has 59 [ A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
UTG+6 has 101.26
UTG+7 has 86.84
Button has 51.30

Pre-flop, 9 players
2 calls, 1 fold, UTG+5 Hero raised to 2.5, 2 folds, 2 calls, 1 fold, 1 call, 1 fold

Flop, 3 players, pot size = 11[3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Hero raised to 8, Button calls 8, SB calls 8

Turn, 4 players, pot size = 35[3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
1 check, Hero checks, Button raised 8, SB calls 8, Hero ?push?

dirtysanchez · #2 02-26-2007, 02:30 PM

call, re-evaluate

D.L.M. · #3 02-26-2007, 02:32 PM

why on earth would you push, start check calling

SimaoMacaco · #4 02-26-2007, 02:59 PM

I think they could be weak.

Pros
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]The flop 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is not a terrible flop.. WA/WB.
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Villains were passive on the flop - two calls with flush showing against obivous aggresion
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 FDs now showing and villains are still laying great odds
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Resonable odds, $51 in the pot, Button has $32.8, SB has $17.46.
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Reads.. Button has been out of line on pairs, SB is fairly loose
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]If I call the $8, the pot is $58, the draws get a cheap card, I am then facing a horrible river decision, either fold or a crying call.

Against
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]They were not scared off the flop
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Trip KKK, QQQ, 333, KQ kills me
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]This is how i make my money against Donks (am i the donk here?)

The turn check was for pot control, however their bets seem TOTALLY gutless to me.

dirtysanchez · #5 02-26-2007, 03:07 PM

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I had a feeling they were weak

Pros
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]The flop 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is not a terrible flop.. WA/WB.
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Villains were passive - two calls with flush showing against obivous aggresion
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Resonable odds, $51 in the pot, Button has $32.8, SB has $17.46.
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Reads.. Button has been out of line on pairs, SB is fairly loose
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]If I call the $8, the pot is $58, the draws get a cheap card, I am then facing a horrible river decision, either fold or a crying call.

Against
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]They were not scared off the flop
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Trip KKK, QQQ, 333, KQ kills me
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]This is how i make my money against Donks

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to start w/, you're right about being WA/WB, which makes a push absolutely terrible because it gets called by all better hands and folds all worse hands.

2nd pro: villains are passive- this is also a con, because one of them is betting a pretty crappy turn card for you.

3rd pro- odds- this is your 1st actual pro, but in a spot where you are basically praying that one is bluffing and one is drawing, i think you can pass on the odds of shoving

even if you want to commit to felting the hand, you get more value from just calling.

SimaoMacaco · #6 02-26-2007, 03:09 PM

Villains were passive in the hand, they have previously been aggressive