To jam or not to jam

[brettbrettr]

This is a FTP HORSE game, mostly tight and fairly passive, the amount of people involved after my initial raise really surprised me.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($2/$4), Ante $0.40 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___jams?

Reraise 3rd? What factors are you looking for? I"m fairly new to stud so the more details the better. Apologies if this is basic....

[Brad1970]

Seat 7 completed & then reraised you...shows alotta strength. All you have are 3 spades with the 1 spade dead & a 4 dead that could help your hand....what if seat 1 is on a spade draw also?? That would mean alot of dead spades in a multiway pot.

I'd just call & re-evaluate 4th.

[iamastud]

I agree with this also. I don;t see the need for your raising there and your hand is not yet powerful to be putting in such a raise.

[brettbrettr]

OK, good. I thought the same things. Seat 2's line is really strong so I wanted to see a card.

Now, on 4th, I saw a card and ecided to do my dandyist to get this one HU.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($2/$4), Ante $0.40 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___calls

4th Street - (19.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] checks
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Now, do I want to get to play this against few people or a lot?

[Poker CPA]

Jam on 3rd, the Kings are dead money. Call 4th

[*TT*]

[ QUOTE ]
OK, good. I thought the same things. Seat 2's line is really strong so I wanted to see a card.

Now, on 4th, I saw a card and ecided to do my dandyist to get this one HU.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($2/$4), Ante $0.40 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___calls

4th Street - (19.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] checks
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Now, do I want to get to play this against few people or a lot?

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A lot. Your low draw is not strong enough to start jamming, and your high draw is a bit weak but far from a lost cause.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[Andy B]

On third street, I would just call the initial bet. I'd prefer multi-way action with a hand like this. Since you raised and got a bunch of callers, when the other guy three-bets, I think you have a cap. Now it could be that seat 1 has three spades, which wouldn't be good for you, but he probably shouldn't be playing a hand like that for two bets. If he's playing that for two bets, he's probably playing other hands he shouldn't for two bets, so I wouldn't worry about it that much.

On fourth street, I would welcome a lot of action and I would be tickled pink if I raised and everyone folded. I can't think of anything bad that would come from raising. If you knock everyone out, maybe the bring-in will bust and you can scoop with something stinky like a pair of Tens. If people call along with garbage (sure looks like garbage), you've got a sizable amount of equity. Get your money in there.

[Micturition Man]

Jam away. It is highly unlikely you are not a money favorite multiway, and your hand is strong heads up as well.

There is no reason to fear the bring-in. He probably has something good but the only hand he could have that would really cut into your equity multiway is roll-ups, and I seriously doubt he would open-complete roll-ups. (Given how loose the other players are probably playing I don't think the bring-in having something like A23s is enough to make you a money dog... I could be wrong though.)

I'm not sure I like you original reraise though. With an ace exposed and lots of low cards behind you anyway I would just try to get the pot as multiway as possible. In some kind of really big ante game you probably would reraise.

[Beavis68]

I would just call, I would rather keep people in the pot. you have some scoop potential and folding people out isnt going to help that much if any.

[Micturition Man]

If you are talking about the first raise I tend to agree.

If you are talking about the reraise I don't agree. With a round of bets having gone in you would like to thin the field unless the bring-in has you badly dominated for high (e.g. AA or roll-ups).

But either way it's a moot point because it's rare for people to call one bet in stud 8 on 3rd street but then fold for 2 or 3 more back to them.