Small pp limps, capped preflop.

TripleH68 · #1 02-22-2007, 03:17 AM

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Hero has a LAG image.
Opponents are knows to get out of line a bit.

I am posting for a friend this one time - thanks.

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, CO raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (15.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets...

JJH3984 · #2 02-22-2007, 03:24 AM

fold preflop. I'd raise in different circumstances. everything else is standard

BigBadBabar · #3 02-22-2007, 04:39 AM

sheesh, given your reads, postflop seems fine. i would fold it pf also normally.

Yoshi63 · #4 02-22-2007, 06:53 AM

Yeah, IMO no problems here postflop. You gotta charge potential draws on the flop, so 3-bet seems standard. Turn bet is obvious. River action is cause for concern, but given opponents and being 6-way, likely hood of 2-pair is much greater than bigger trips - so you're just going for value here.

Finally, if either turns over J8 or 86 for str8 (given pre-flop raises), I guess you curse at the computer and cry a little bit. Probably sit out a few hands, too.

HoneyBadger · #5 02-22-2007, 07:08 AM

postflop is fine. I can't imagine he wouldn't have given more action on flop/turn with AA. Probably has AT or A9.

Preflop is quite horrible. Fold 44 UTG, and fold it the 2nd time around. Whatever you do, don't open-limp it.

22pajo · #6 02-22-2007, 07:48 AM

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Preflop is quite horrible. Fold 44 UTG, and fold it the 2nd time around. Whatever you do, don't open-limp it.

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Would you fold 44 in a full ring game in the same seat?

James. · #7 02-22-2007, 08:57 AM

raise pf if you're playing. i think i would call the river.

well, crap. i just noticed this was 6handed and our opponents are known to get out of line. so the 3bet is fine.

James. · #8 02-22-2007, 09:32 AM

we will have to put in and additional 1.5BB to continue pf. i think we can certainly count on a pot of at least 10-12BB if we hit our set and win.

i would call when it came back around to me. your implied odds are for sure cut, but you still have the overlay of the other three people putting in bets PF and the action you will gain from them when you hit.

more than anything else, given the table condition these guys will get out of line and give excess action with marginal holdings if we do flop a set. that should more than make up for some of our underdog status. i saw a reasonable poster once say something along the lines of "never fold a pocket pair PF when you've already put money in the pot". i've never tested the profitability of the statement, but it seems right in this spot anyway.

Harv72b · #9 02-22-2007, 10:16 AM

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Hero has a LAG image.

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The initial limp is iffy, especially when followed by 3 players who are known to get out of line. However, once the raises happen behind you, you're pretty much obligated to see the flop for set odds. Yes, the call is -EV in immediate terms, but your implied odds are huge...especially with a LAG image.

Just realized that I'm grunching the thread and that was probably already covered.

As far as the river....meh. Ordinarily I'd prefer to just smooth call & hope for overcalls, but with the image I think any ace is calling if we 3bet, anyway. And again, with the image and such a drawy flop, I don't think AA is slowing down that quickly on the prior streets.

22pajo · #10 02-22-2007, 10:28 AM

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However, once the raises happen behind you, you're pretty much obligated to see the flop for set odds. Yes, the call is -EV in immediate terms, but your implied odds are huge...especially with a LAG image.

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This is contrary to some of the advice on this thread. Some say call 3 bets more getting huge implied odds, some say there are too many bets to make up post flop so dump it when its 3 more back to you.
What's a guy to believe?????