$25NL 6max I played AA badly help

Speedlimits · #1 02-08-2007, 02:45 PM

Villian is 23/18/4 over 250 hands. His Win$@SD is 57%

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Seat 2: Villian is SB ($24.75)
Seat 3: BB ($55.45)
Seat 4: UTG ($34.15)
Seat 5: Hero is CO ($37.15)
Seat 6: Button ($24.65)
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, Button folds, SB raises to $3.25, BB folds, Hero calls.

I just called pf to disguise my hand, I am also in position so a call is more attractive.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6.75, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Anyone like a bet here? I checked because I wanted to keep the pot size under control.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.75, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls.

I actually think I should of raised here, calling opens me up to a push on the river that I can't call.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($14.75, 2 players)
SB is all-in $17.5, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $17.5 returned to SB.

I am almost sure I'm beat on the end. He probably had KK or AJs, more likely KK. I think I messed up on the turn (should of raised) but the flop check is good. Thoughts?
Results:
Final pot: $14.75

dd323 · #2 02-08-2007, 03:02 PM

I think he has AK or air enough times to call this..

Edit: Actually, probably not, I play higher usually..

Unknown Soldier · #3 02-08-2007, 03:07 PM

I really don't think AK would play like this that often with the paired board. Any real raise and you are comitted on the turn. Could min raise as a blocking bet, but even then calling his push might be a good call. I think your line is fine. Sometimes passive is good.

Should really bet flop though, most of the time, however checking for pot control/deception is fine (if the opponent is good enough to need to use decpetion)

Warteen · #4 02-08-2007, 03:11 PM

Preflop: The best move is to 4-bet; get as much money in as possible while you're sure you're ahead.

Flop: Bet. You need very badly to take back the lead in this hand. If the villain check-pushes, you can easily fold to the likely jack.

Turn: Part of the reason for betting the flop was to be able to check behind on the turn, and encourage him to bluff the river. As played, you're only beaten by a jack (in his reasonable hand range), so you've got to call.

River: The guy 3-bet and didn't lead on the flop, which tells me he's either being sneaky or is afraid of the jack. You have way under-repped your AA, so AK or KQ is probably assuming it's good right now - he could also be trying to push you out (since you've played it like you might have a king) with QQ, TT, etc. I think you've got to call here.

Speedlimits · #5 02-08-2007, 03:29 PM

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Preflop: The best move is to 4-bet; get as much money in as possible while you're sure you're ahead.

Flop: Bet. You need very badly to take back the lead in this hand. If the villain check-pushes, you can easily fold to the likely jack.

Turn: Part of the reason for betting the flop was to be able to check behind on the turn, and encourage him to bluff the river. As played, you're only beaten by a jack (in his reasonable hand range), so you've got to call.

River: The guy 3-bet and didn't lead on the flop, which tells me he's either being sneaky or is afraid of the jack. You have way under-repped your AA, so AK or KQ is probably assuming it's good right now - he could also be trying to push you out (since you've played it like you might have a king) with QQ, TT, etc. I think you've got to call here.

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Preflop is a standard call in position with 100BB effective stacks. ESPECIALLY against someone this aggressive...wow horrible advice.

Bet on flop is WA/WB situation, checking flop gets me more value out of 1010,QQ,KK type hands.

Turn I have no clue where I am at, that's why I think in hindsight a raise is good here. For value.

It's pretty obvious I'm beat on the river so fold is so easy.

You don't call light against people with Win%@SD 50%+ for the most part. Guaranteed he had KK here though.

barryc83 · #6 02-08-2007, 03:41 PM

Yes I like the pf call against this type of opponent. Checking for pot control is horrible here, you are in a RR pot and you have the nuts. Checking for deception is a different story. His check on the flop seems fishy to me. He'd bet w/ AK here almost always IMO but sometimes I see villains get scared with AK on paired flops thinking you'll call with any pp. If you think he flopped trips with AJ I think you're seeing monsters. I like a bet on the flop actually as I think he will c/r you a lot. As played raise turn for value, you have the [censored] nuts get your stack in there. River, damn thats either a really bad card for you or a really good one. He's got AK or KK, take your pick, probably a good fold though. You underepped your hand so bad here.

Speedlimits · #7 02-08-2007, 03:44 PM

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Yes I like the pf call against this type of opponent. Checking for pot control is horrible here, you are in a RR pot and you have the nuts. Checking for deception is a different story. His check on the flop seems fishy to me. He'd bet w/ AK here almost always IMO but sometimes I see villains get scared with AK on paired flops thinking you'll call with any pp. If you think he flopped trips with AJ I think you're seeing monsters. I like a bet on the flop actually as I think he will c/r you a lot. As played raise turn for value, you have the [censored] nuts get your stack in there. River, damn thats either a really bad card for you or a really good one. He's got AK or KK, take your pick, probably a good fold though. You underepped your hand so bad here.

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Thank you, totally agree with pf. A bet on the flop is definitely solid too. If I bet flop I think QQ-KK raises me and then I can push.

As played yeah I should have raised turn, definitely messed that up. As far as whether he has KK or AK KK is more likely from a pure statistic standpoint.

BukNaked36 · #8 02-08-2007, 04:09 PM

"$25NL 6max I played AA badly help"

That's your thread title then you tell everyone they don't know what they're doing?

Majority of the time raise preflop. Hope he comes over the top and you get all in vs. AK, KK, QQ.

As played, preflop call is OK.

Flop - bet $6 - I stack off against AJ here. You also stack QQ & KK here a lot of the time with no A on the flop

Turn - try to get the rest in

You see JJ and you automatically assume AJ. You see a K and you assume KK. What do you need to see to play your AA against? A rainbow board under 9 with no str8 possibilities? Although he might have raised 22 for deception and have quads on the turn... If Mr. 57% has you this freaked out, you should find a different table.

Shaqalicious · #9 02-08-2007, 04:05 PM

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Preflop: The best move is to 4-bet; get as much money in as possible while you're sure you're ahead.

Flop: Bet. You need very badly to take back the lead in this hand. If the villain check-pushes, you can easily fold to the likely jack.

Turn: Part of the reason for betting the flop was to be able to check behind on the turn, and encourage him to bluff the river. As played, you're only beaten by a jack (in his reasonable hand range), so you've got to call.

River: The guy 3-bet and didn't lead on the flop, which tells me he's either being sneaky or is afraid of the jack. You have way under-repped your AA, so AK or KQ is probably assuming it's good right now - he could also be trying to push you out (since you've played it like you might have a king) with QQ, TT, etc. I think you've got to call here.

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Preflop is a standard call in position with 100BB effective stacks. ESPECIALLY against someone this aggressive...wow horrible advice.

Bet on flop is WA/WB situation, checking flop gets me more value out of 1010,QQ,KK type hands.

Turn I have no clue where I am at, that's why I think in hindsight a raise is good here. For value.

It's pretty obvious I'm beat on the river so fold is so easy.

You don't call light against people with Win%@SD 50%+ for the most part. Guaranteed he had KK here though.

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so you asked for advice so you could in turn give everyone else your own poorly reasoned advice? its 25NL, people are idiots and call 4-bets with all sorts of crap. playing passive is not how to beat these games.

Warteen · #10 02-08-2007, 04:11 PM

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so you asked for advice so you could in turn give everyone else your own poorly reasoned advice? its 25NL, people are idiots and call 4-bets with all sorts of crap. playing passive is not how to beat these games.

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QFT.

Speedlimits, you asked for advice and then took the bits and pieces that backed up your own admitted misplay of the hand. 4-betting with AA is standard and not horrible advice. I gave you examples of hands that the villain is pushing with on the river that you had beat, as did others. You shouldn't take a rude tone with people who you've asked for help if you decide you disagree with them. If you're going to do that, why are you even posting here?