Live 25-50, big decision with bottom 2

B-Man · #1 02-06-2007, 04:50 PM

Bellagio 25-50. The game started a couple of hours earlier when Jamie Gold arrived, and 6 people (locals) at my 10-20 table immediately left to start a 25-50 with Jamie (they were practically drooling). That is higher than I usually play, but I decide to take a shot.

I have about 6,500 to start this hand, villian has about 6,000.

UTG (villain) and 5 other players limp, I call 25 with 84o in the small blind, and the BB checks.

8 players, $400 in pot.

Flop: T 8 4 (2 hearts)

I check, BB checks, UTG checks, MP (aggressive player) bets 300, the button (solid player) calls.

I make it 1,800 to go.

BB folds, then UTG instantly check-raises all in for 5,900 (4,100 more for me to call).

Everyone else folds.

Villain has been pretty agressive, but he does not seem completely crazy. My gut says that he probably has a set, or maybe top 2 pair, but I also think he could have limped UTG with AA or KK, and also could have a flush draw.

There is 8,700 in the pot, it will cost me 4,100 to call.

I am leaning toward a fold, I think for a minute or 2, then I ask villain if he wants me to call, and he looks me in the eye and says, “Absolutely.”

Your action?

JMa · #2 02-06-2007, 04:57 PM

fold pf and then fold on the flop..he either has J9h, 97h, T8 or a set

iRock · #3 02-06-2007, 04:58 PM

this is a pretty easy call at end. I'd prob fold preflop. once you are here he either has tt or you are ahead. 44 or 88 are unlikely as you have each. AA is a big part of his range as is a big draw like j9 plus flush you are getting fine odds so call.

TheWorstPlayer · #4 02-06-2007, 05:06 PM

fold preflop, don't c/r the flop, flip a coin as to whether you call or fold once he pushes. i would fold if i were playing higher than usual since the EV is probably slim and there is no reason to take the variance to realise it. just wait to get your money in very good against the fish and ensure you can stay in the game...

good2cu · #5 02-06-2007, 05:08 PM

Depends on if villian sucks enough to shove KK and AA here.

shag · #6 02-06-2007, 05:11 PM

i don't think you can fold this without any reads this shallow... lead flop fold pre.

multious · #7 02-06-2007, 05:32 PM

easy call at this point

KEWL · #8 02-07-2007, 02:59 PM

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Depends on if villian sucks enough to shove KK and AA here.

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this is really what it comes down to right

Post-Oak · #9 02-06-2007, 05:06 PM

Fold preflop.

Bet out on the flop instead of going for the hand defining check raise.

Fold to his push.

JasonP530 · #10 02-06-2007, 06:36 PM

This would be a horrendus call on the flop. do you think he wants to call with a hand when he has a draw? If he has a draw, he keeps his mouth shut cause he wants you to fold. This is a set most of the time, which leaves you drawing dead. if 50% of the time, you're drawing dead, 25% he has a draw, and 25% he has a AA/KK, you are -EV, and I think he has a set much more often than that.