at the same limit forever

[poker12]

So I've been at the same limit for what seems like forever (200k hands at 1/2NL) and cant build a roll to move up.

I'm basically playing tight abc (like 18/12 in 6 max), bet when i have fold when i dont. when i start trying to bluff, 2 barrell, or emulate some 2p2 post I lose chunks of money quick.

So two questions...

1- are the moves these people making and posting like one hand out of 1000 hands, or are they doing this like all day (one time out of maybe 100 hands). I mean like some sick bluff or something...

2-do the majority of good players make the majority of their money against total idiots, because when i'm 5 tabling most of the tables are good....so i'm probably the idiot.

OK, if this post makes no sense...sorry..

[n1nj4.br]

if u played 200k hands at nl200 and dont have to br to nl400, i think u should move down to nl100.

[gelvis]

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most of the tables are good

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Maybe table selection is your problem. Shouldn't be a big problem to find good 200NL 6 max games.

[Kilillan]

uh

people tend to post the hands that stand out to them, that's usually long calls and large bluffs.

Nearly all of my strategy posts involve bluffs and overbet bluffs. But the situations that call for large bluffs are few and far between. Most situations are simple math and easy folds.

like 90%+ of poker is very simple decisions. C-bets and giving up. Folding preflop. Raising pre then folding.

I've been at nl200 for much longer than 200k hands, but that's by more choice than bankroll restrictions.

Also, all the tables should be good at nl200. The normal TAGS at nl200 aren't very good at all. You shouldn't have to game select, and if you find the games tough then drop to nl100 to work on your game.

[SinkRox]

Kilillan if your making 5pt+ gringin auto-pilot then that may be the case, but this guy is breaking even so I strongly suggest massive table selection whilst working on his game.

18/12 is a good style just make sure you study your post flop play, know why you're doing everything. Once you feel more confident you could try moving your style up to 20/16 -ish. Also try dropping a table or two and really focusing for a bit.

[Praetor]

get a coach

[SpecT]

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get a coach

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sorry to hijack this thread, but how does coaching work? do they sweat u and u tell them ur hands over skype, or they can see ur screen through some progam or somethin? also, do they just tell u how to play ur heads right then and there, and ur kinda just like their puppet, or do they observe, making afew comments, then talk to u about it after ur sesh?

sorry, im a noob and know nothing about coaching, but am interested in possibly getting coached

[ama0330]

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The normal TAGS at nl200 aren't very good at all.

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I've always wondered, what does this mean? What are the most exploitable mistakes that common TAGs make that are obvious enough to make a wide statement like that?

ps serious question.

[Kilillan]

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The normal TAGS at nl200 aren't very good at all.

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I've always wondered, what does this mean? What are the most exploitable mistakes that common TAGs make that are obvious enough to make a wide statement like that?

ps serious question.

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Generally speaking, and I do mean generally, the TAGS at nl200 have the same weaknesses as the TAGS at nl100. They're too weaktight. They make little or no effort to conceal their hand. They make fundamental errors, both mathematically and theoretically. They tilt. Unwillingness to 3 barrel. Unwillingness to double barrel. Unwillingness to play 1 pair for stacks. Inability to read hands.

Basically the same problems the people in SSNL post. There's a lot of bad posters posting in SSNL.
And there are some exceptions, but it's the peter principle, they generally move up.

Nl400 is different but not a whole lot different. And nl600 is much different, game selection isn't recommened it's necessary. A lot of the games simply aren't beatable for someone of my skill level.

You never see good LAGS and very good TAGS at nl200. At 400+ you see Jamouga, CTS, balugawhale and yvvesaint. All of which are a bitch to play against.

[Grunch]

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when i start trying to bluff, 2 barrell, or emulate some 2p2 post I lose chunks of money quick.

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The problem probably is that you are making these moves without relaly understanding them, even if you think you do understand them. A bluff takes many forms, and it's not usually some big all-in move at the end with nothing. I don't even really like the term 'bluff' in this context anyway, because the money comes from many more places besides getting a better hand to fold. 'Deception' is a better term, because that includes other things like getting a 2nd best hand to put in more chips. 'Leverage' is probably the best term, because you are trying to leverage whatever tactical situation exists to your maximum gain. Be that running cold bluffs, getting worse hands to pay more, or losing the least with your second best hand.

If you're just making these moves because you saw a post by your Hero in which he made the same move, but you don't understand what tactical situation you're trying to leverage, then you're just spewing chips.

By the way,

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I'm basically playing tight abc (like 18/12 in 6 max), bet when i have fold when i dont

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I steamroll people like you all day long. Don't fall for the hype -- there are plenty of opponents at NL100 & NL200 who are also capable of steamrolling you, too. Sure, you'll eventually pick up Aces. But then I'll only lose $20 of the $100 I've already won from you, because you're playing with your cards face-up.