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#1
02-03-2007, 09:44 PM
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Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
CO is an unknown. Never seen him before.
Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($2/$4) (converter) SB ($82), Seat 3 BB ($81), Seat 4 Hero ($88), Seat 5 MP ($224), Seat 6 CO ($28), Seat 1 Button ($96), Seat 2 Button at Seat 2. SB posts $1. BB posts $2. Hand: [2h Tc As 3h 8h] Round 1: (1.50 SB) <font color="red">Hero raises. </font><font color="#666666">MP folds. </font><font color="green">CO calls. </font><font color="#666666">Button folds. </font><font color="#666666">SB folds. </font><font color="#666666">BB folds. </font> Hero discards Tc As. CO takes 2. Hand: [2h 3h 8h 8c 6s] Round 2: (5.50 SB) <font color="red">Hero bets. </font><font color="green">CO calls. </font> Hero discards 8h. CO takes 1. Hand: [2h 3h 8c 6s 2d] Round 3: (3.75 BB) <font color="red">Hero bets. </font><font color="green">CO calls. </font> Hero stands pat? 
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#2
02-03-2007, 11:10 PM
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Re: Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
A little quote from SSII
[ QUOTE ] 2 card draws that include an 8 can be included from late positions only. Fold all 8's from early positions. It is safe to open raise with these hands. [/ QUOTE ] Remember TD is a game of position, getting your money in out of position with hands that could develop counter to your plans is never wise idea. woops. As played this is not a good place for a snow. You have seen two duces, but its likely that CO has a duce as well if he has 1/2 a brain. Seeing two 8's doesn't matter that much, for example if he catches a 9 he is likely gonna call if he is clean. Your snow here gets lucky sometimes so its easy to start playing poorly here based on past results, but in the long run this is not the correct percentage play IMHO. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#3
02-03-2007, 11:57 PM
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Re: Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
[ QUOTE ]
A little quote from SSII [ QUOTE ] 2 card draws that include an 8 can be included from late positions only. Fold all 8's from early positions. It is safe to open raise with these hands. [/ QUOTE ] Remember TD is a game of position, getting your money in out of position with hands that could develop counter to your plans is never wise idea. woops. As played this is not a good place for a snow. You have seen two duces, but its likely that CO has a duce as well if he has 1/2 a brain. Seeing two 8's doesn't matter that much, for example if he catches a 9 he is likely gonna call if he is clean. Your snow here gets lucky sometimes so its easy to start playing poorly here based on past results, but in the long run this is not the correct percentage play IMHO. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I should probably read SSII again sometime now that I have some TDL experience. I think if one's opponents are moderately tight then 8's could be bad OOP, but nobody folds at these limits so I think generally I have an equity edge here. I could be wrong. I'll have to think more about this. Villains at this level frequently draw horribly, so giving him credit for a deuce isn't something I'm ready to do quite yet. Against solid regulars, I think you're right. TT, I take it that snowing based on your discards isn't something you do on a regular basis or am I misreading what you wrote? Or do you typically wait for something strong like 3+ deuces in your hand? Edit: I just answered my own question. Nobody folds. I should draw.
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#4
02-04-2007, 12:14 AM
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Re: Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
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TT, I take it that snowing based on your discards isn't something you do on a regular basis or am I misreading what you wrote? Or do you typically wait for something strong like 3+ deuces in your hand? [/ QUOTE ] You misunderstood - snowing based on discards is exactly what you should be doing - as long as the discards affects your opponents likely hand range. In this hand the discards do not affect the hand range at all. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#5
02-04-2007, 04:00 AM
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Re: Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
I think this is fine if the guy is straightforward, if he's at all tricky (might bluff raise or something or freeze you and stand pat behind you) then I'd just check/call and draw one.
-DeathDonkey
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#6
02-04-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
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I think this is fine if the guy is straightforward, if he's at all tricky (might bluff raise or something or freeze you and stand pat behind you) then I'd just check/call and draw one. -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] But thats more of a bluff than a snow, since the two deuces and 2 8's probably don't affect the villain's hand at all. A horse of a different color. Bluffs work too, however your not relying on the exploitive strategy of missing cards in the deck to assure your opponent doesn't make his hand. With a bluff your just crossing your fingers that your opponent doesn't get there. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#8
02-04-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: Snow or draw? 2/4, 2-7
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Can someone define "snow" for me please? [/ QUOTE ] Not drawing optimally with the intention to bluff. See: my original post where I keep the pair of deuces.
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