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Old 02-09-2006, 01:51 AM
kosmicd21 kosmicd21 is offline
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Default Best Strategy for stars 180man sngs with early chip lead

hey, i'm about 40 minutes into my second or so 180 man sng and am top 3 in chips, i've heard much said about these and their players, so with this early chip cushion is the optimal strategy to be TAG and only play premium hands and see flops with decent hands, or should I be more LAG and see a lot of flops (i've heard that players in these are really bad, so i'm more drawn to the first option but would love to hear from those with successful experience in these)
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Old 02-09-2006, 06:46 AM
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I don't like unnecessarily tightening up, people catch up quick enough.
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Old 02-09-2006, 07:19 AM
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Bully them mercilessly.
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Old 02-09-2006, 10:52 AM
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Bully them mercilessly.

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Old 02-09-2006, 12:10 PM
Foucault Foucault is offline
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If it is still early, then you should be neither bullying nor defending. You should be trying to limp in often with speculative hands though, and even calling raises when the price is right, because you will get paid off when you hit. Don't try to push anyone around, just take your draws when you have the odds and get paid when you hit. Continue to play your big hands aggressively, but don't try to force any pots or push anyone off a hand. The time to do that will be in about two hours. Right now, just use your cushion to see a lot of flops and try to keep accumulating.
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Old 02-09-2006, 12:50 PM
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blow off your stack with a failed bluff like most do.

you should only change your game when the blinds start to take their toll, most people feel the need to stay ahead and most of the time they screw up big time, just play your game dude.
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Old 02-09-2006, 12:55 PM
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let's put it this way - I was 3rd in chips with about 28 left yesterday and I finished in 13th. Play like no lead is ever safe, because it's true.
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Old 02-09-2006, 01:22 PM
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If it is still early, then you should be neither bullying nor defending. You should be trying to limp in often with speculative hands though, and even calling raises when the price is right, because you will get paid off when you hit. Don't try to push anyone around, just take your draws when you have the odds and get paid when you hit. Continue to play your big hands aggressively, but don't try to force any pots or push anyone off a hand. The time to do that will be in about two hours. Right now, just use your cushion to see a lot of flops and try to keep accumulating.

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Maybe we're playing these 180 SNGs at different times of the day, but in two hours this thing is practically going to be over. He's ~40 minutes in, and I'm guessing the blinds are going to 50/100 in a few minutes. It's a perfect time for some measured, spot-picking bullying.

It's also early enough that someone can cut away from a bet without much harm to their stack and be thinking "I still have a lot of time left to wait for a real hand against this guy." I'm not saying to just all-in bluff everybody, but I think it's a perfect time to start knocking some people around and put the fear of God into them that their tournament might be at stake if they mess with you.

Having people think "I still have a lot of time left to wait for a hand," is almost as good as "I'm on the bubble and don't want to bust." Both succeed in having people fold marginal hands when the big stack comes trampling over the table.
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Old 02-09-2006, 03:12 PM
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If it is still early, then you should be neither bullying nor defending. You should be trying to limp in often with speculative hands though, and even calling raises when the price is right, because you will get paid off when you hit. Don't try to push anyone around, just take your draws when you have the odds and get paid when you hit. Continue to play your big hands aggressively, but don't try to force any pots or push anyone off a hand. The time to do that will be in about two hours. Right now, just use your cushion to see a lot of flops and try to keep accumulating.

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I tend to agree with alot of this. Since you have a large stack you can see ALOT of flops, especially when the blinds are 25/50 ish or even 50/100. Stay agressive, but I still would not run any big bluffs. During the first 2 hours you will see all sorts of silliness. Yesterday in a 180, I had a guy call me on every street when I had AK and he had 88 on a board that was KJ4Tx. I raised PF, bet 1/2 the pot on the flop, 1/2 the pot on the turn, and he even called my river bet of 600ish (leaving himself with 400 behind. He had 4th pair!

Trying to bluff early in these is fruitless. Just play good solid poker, see alot of flops and keep building....
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Old 02-09-2006, 03:18 PM
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I completely agree with this. I wouldn't start bullying this early, because against all of the donks left in the field, you will most likely just end up losing your chip lead to some guy who calls you with A3o. Plus, the blinds are so low at this point that there's just not much to steal. Instead, I would get involved in more hands than usual while the blinds are low and try to flop monsters. Of course, you can steal a few pots here or there, but I wouldn't go crazy just yet. Wait until people are scared of busting on the bubble before you start to go too crazy. At this point, just be willing to play some more speculative hands. And, make sure you are able to get away from them when you need to.
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