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Old 01-31-2007, 12:38 AM
jaywks jaywks is offline
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Default Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

I'm playing against villain on multiple tables and I might say that he is donkish weak/tight. Villain is 34/15/1.3 over 327 hands. He is usually quite passive on the flop. This is the first time I've seen him lead with a pot size bet.

I just went through my pokertracker hands that I have on him, and I don't see a single pot size lead played with any hands. So right now I think he has AK/AQ spades,QQ/KK/AA.

Is this the only way I can play against these hands? I felt very weak/tight after I folded this turn.

Perhaps I could check/raise the flop, but do I call a shove if he comes over the top and just hope that he doesn't have AQs/AKs?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $117.45
UTG+1: $298
Hero: $364.55
Button: $85.65
SB: $91.30
BB: $547.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $8</font>, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($26, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $31</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($88, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $85</font>, Hero folds
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

Fold PF 90% of the time.

As played, looks good.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:45 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

Yea, I usually fold this preflop, but the raiser was semideep, 150bb, I thought I could outplay him on the flop in position, and perhaps stack him if I hit the right flop.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:50 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

Raise the flop to $100 and call all in
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

Fold here.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:10 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

I think PF is perfectly fine. We're both 150bb deep and we have position. If he's weak-tight...we could even plan on floating him on a low flop.

I don't really like calling the flop though. A spade on the turn probably kills our action...and now if he bets again we have to fold. I think I'd raise the flop only if I think he's capable of laying down an overpair...because that's what he's representing. Otherwise, I probably fold the flop.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

I don't understand calling the flop and not the turn. The only way the turn could have changed your circumstances was if you put him on KK, otherwise you have same decision as you had on the flop.

Looking ahead at flop, you know he is gonna bet again if you miss. I would have most likely folded pf, but on flop raise or fold here, don't call. ( I say this because I have made the same mistake you did )

The call let him know you were drawing. If you are not going to fold, a raise at least makes him think of trip sixes. That is a strong draw on the flop. If he calls, probabaly get a free card on turn. If he bets into me again on turn, I'm gone.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

push this flop or fold preflop
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

raise the flop with monster draw

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I don't understand calling the flop and not the turn. The only way the turn could have changed your circumstances was if you put him on KK, otherwise you have same decision as you had on the flop.

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flop pot/bet size is smaller relative to stacks with one more street to milk with if you hit so no its not the same at all

that being said flop raise while u probably are ahead equity-wise is sexy esp since half your outs (the spades) have pretty much [censored] implied odds if you make them
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw facing huge turn bet

yeah fold pf or shove this flop. but as played, fold turn.
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I think I'd raise the flop only if I think he's capable of laying down an overpair...because that's what he's representing

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we're 50:50 against an overpair. wouldnt u rather flip on the flop rather than call and then have to fold the turn wen u dont hit?
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