**Official microlimit stats thread** stats posts and questions go here

[Gregatron]

All the regulars here know there are a TON of stats posts. This encompasses everything from "how do I get my preflop VPIP/PFR up?" to "what should by postflop aggression factor be?" to the really ingenius "should I include preflop aggression in my overall aggression?" A lot of these -- okay, most -- of these posts are somewhat misguided, but still part of the learning curve for a poker player seeking to improve his/her game.

The thing is, this board sometimes get inundated with these stats threads, which to many ML regulars are like nails on a chalk board. (This includes me when I'm in a pissy mood.) So, what we need is, like Wook's NC thread, a designated stats only thread. If you have a stats question, post it here.

But wait! Before you go a'posting on this thread little Billy, you need to read a few things first (you dumbass).

First) For full ring games: There is a sticky at the top of the ML forum by a guy named btspider -- a very smart guy who apparently has been eaten by a pack of wild dogs (or something). Read the stats section. Btspider worked very hard on that post, and he didnt go to all that trouble just so you could ignore his post and go asking questions that he took to trouble to address, now did he? (Hint: no, he didn't!)

B) For 6 max games: There is this awesome post by MrWookie47 here. He also took quite a bit of trouble to make this post. Take advantage please.

3) King Otter recently made a good post, which I am going to post here (having his permission) about the long term nature of poker.
"I want to say something that bears repeating. We've got a lot of people here that are newer than I am, and I'm not seeing the mantra about poker being a long-term game repeated as much as it was when I first came about.

If you play for 3K hands and win 20BB/100, you are not a winning player.

"Why not?!" You may ask, "Look at that winrate!"

Because 3K hands is short-term. 5k hand is short-term. 10k hands is short-term. 20k hands is short-term in terms of win-rate.

Even at 20K hands, a good run of 50BB over 500 hands could change your win-rate 20% (assuming 1BB/100, at 2BB/100 it goes up 10%).

Crushing a limit isn't about going to any table and walking away with 100BB. Being a winning player doesn't mean that you can win, no matter what. Poker is still gambling. In the long and short of it you still have to get better cards than the other guy, most of the time.

Being a winning player is all about:
1. Adjusting to your opponents play.
2. Making GOOD poker decisions, every time.
3. Putting your opponents in positions where THEY make mistakes.
4. Understanding that a day is short-term... a week is short-term... a month is short-term.
5. Patience.

If you're complaining that you can't beat a limit and you have less than 20k hands as evidence, you're wasting our time.

KO"

Okay, if you have read all this, now you are ready to post in this thread. Have at it.

[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Greg
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[MrWookie]

nh, sir. Let's hope this enjoys the same success as the NC thread.

Also, will posters kindly supply a link to this thread in any and all stats posts made by people who post stats in a new thread?

[stoli]

how do you get the poker tracker game summary imported into the post so that it looks like a screen shot?

[stoli]

Here are my stats after 10k at .50/1. I had a pretty sizeable downswing in the middle and a matching upswing on the tail end of this stretch. Any suggestions would be very helpful as I get ready to move up to 1/2. Thanks for all the help.

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[milesdyson]

stoli - you look to not be too passive, both pre- and postflop

[MrWookie]

Thanks for reposting this with a thumbnail. Your OP was far too unwieldly.

You're not aggressive enough. You don't raise nearly enough preflop, particularly blind steals. You could probably stand to bump up your postflop aggression, too. Respond to some hands, especially those where people are saying raise or bet where you'd check or call. Make sure you get a good explanation.

[numeri]

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You're not aggressive enough. You don't raise nearly enough preflop, particularly blind steals. You could probably stand to bump up your postflop aggression, too. Respond to some hands, especially those where people are saying raise or bet or fold where you'd check or call. Make sure you get a good explanation.

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These were my thoughts as well, with a little added in. Sometimes people have low aggression factors on the flop because the check/call when they should bet or check/fold instead.

[stoli]

Thanks, good point about raising the post flop aggression and checking out more posts on here to see if I'd be raising in the correct spots. As far as the pre-flop aggression, I raise all the hands I'm supposed to. I really think I wasn't dealt that many raising hands during this 10k hands. I tried to steal blinds anytime it was folded to me and I was in late-middle or late positions. I think with .50/1 there really aren't that many opportunities to steal blinds. But I'm going to use the search and try and find some good posts about blind stealing. Thanks for your help I appreciate it.

[numeri]

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Thanks, good point about raising the post flop aggression and checking out more posts on here to see if I'd be raising in the correct spots. As far as the pre-flop aggression, I raise all the hands I'm supposed to. I really think I wasn't dealt that many raising hands during this 10k hands. I tried to steal blinds anytime it was folded to me and I was in late-middle or late positions. I think with .50/1 there really aren't that many opportunities to steal blinds. But I'm going to use the search and try and find some good posts about blind stealing. Thanks for your help I appreciate it.

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PFR should converge reasonably over 10k hands. You may be missing out on isolation raises, raising from LP to buy the button, and raising for value.

You're right about steals - there aren't a lot of opportunities yet. Make use of them when you can. It'll become more important as you progress, so keep it in mind.

[tiltaholic]

good idea greg.

i applaud the effort and hope it catches.

here's a link that explains standard deviation a little bit:

Standard Deviation by CMI

edit: here's another one I was looking for How Long until PT stats converge