Which pro would be best and worst for the DOJ to arrest

[JPFisher55]

In other threads, poster speculated that if the DOJ arrested Doyle Brunson, the sympathy factor would cause online poker to be legal in a week.
But what if they arrested Phil Helmuth?
So, while I doubt that the DOJ will directly take on online poker by arresting a pro, I thought that I would start a thread on who would be best for our side to be arrested and who would be worse.
My picks: best Doyle Brunson worst Phil Helmuth (maybe Mike Matusow)
Might as well have some fun over these discouraging events.

[tautomer]

Probably one of the female pros with kids would be best. Matusow the worst because he's a degenerate and has probably been in jail a few times already. Obviously I hope no one gets arrested but those are my picks.

[adanthar]

okay, this retardation about "but what if they arrested a pro, would that help us??????" has gone on far enough.

Here is what would happen if a pro was indicted:

1)pro goes to jail
2)nothing else

oh yeah, the papers might run a page 17 story, and a few places might even run editorials for one day. that'd be about all. it's not major news, most people that see "poker pros being arrested for gambling" assume they did something wrong (and/or that online gambling is illegal), and a large chunk of the people that read it will agree with the arrest.

so basically, you're wishing for innocent people doing the same thing everyone else on this site does to go to jail for no good reason. stfu plz thx.

[thetruest]

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okay, this retardation about "but what if they arrested a pro, would that help us??????" has gone on far enough.

Here is what would happen if a pro was indicted:

1)pro goes to jail
2)nothing else

oh yeah, the papers might run a page 17 story, and a few places might even run editorials for one day. that'd be about all. it's not major news, most people that see "poker pros being arrested for gambling" assume they did something wrong (and/or that online gambling is illegal), and a large chunk of the people that read it will agree with the arrest.

so basically, you're wishing for innocent people doing the same thing everyone else on this site does to go to jail for no good reason. stfu plz thx.

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no one said they were wishing anything. Besides, you're way off target. Gtfo

[Sniper]

Adanthar is correct...

[ekdikeo]

I think there's a large quantity of people out there who just don't care. And they don't even know they don't care. (they're like the dead people in Sixth Sense)

We see it that it's a giant deal to everyone, because we're in it. The people we know are in it.

[JoseGonzlez]

Yeah in all honesty you might get one or two more stories than if it was some annoymous Brit being arrested.

The only people though that would be really outraged are the regular players and there are not as many as you think.

I know people who play poker casually and watch it occassionally on TV. The would do know who all these guys are but its not going to create any outrage with them and they know more about these people than the average american.

[Jeff_B]

lol @ phil helmuth in jail

He would do really well I'm sure

[thetruest]

I think you guys are so out of touch...

First of all, clearly, guys like Lederer and Ferguson are on grey legal ground because they not only own a portion of Full Tilt, but they have also aided in the programming of it's software. These guys are continually making profit from Full Tilt every single day. Profits of which the majority comes from American business. In contrast, the guys who were arrested from Neteller don't even run the company anymore.

Both Jesus and Lederer live in the US. Why haven't the feds gone after them in some way? Like someone else said in another thread it's not like they have to wait at some airport. They live here.

The sole reason is that such an event would just be too public, which is unlike everything they have been doing thus far. Pay attention to the majority of the events that have happened recently concerning all of this; it has all been done in quite possibly the most silent manner possible. I play poker regularly AND come here and I didn't even know about anything until days later. While you guys sit here and debate all night, every night, stars is still showing 100k peak players, and UB has 24k, which was more than the last peak i checked there. Nothing has really changed, and most of these people don't even really know what really has went down yet.

The feds and DOJ don't really want to start a commotion, they just want their money while they "get the job done". They are going to need a much more robust case to take against anyone at Full Tilt and any big poker name online in general, and they will get flak about it no matter what once it's on a celebrity stage and public opinion becomes an issue.

if you guys would stop feeling so timid about the situation all the time, maybe you all could actually get together, get organized, concoct something, and do something about what is going on. I see alot of this mood of futility all the time, or that "we're nothing and don't mean much to anyone" type of thinking in people who are supposed to be game theory experts in a $6 billion whatever industry that has garnered massive unprecedented success in TV and pop culture. It's getting annoying. It's not like the brainpower isn't in this community. But i guess this is America, so of course people will just sit back apathetically and lazily while their freedoms, no matter how trivial they are (like playing poker), will get run over by a semi.

[JayA]

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I think you guys are so out of touch...

First of all, clearly, guys like Lederer and Ferguson are on grey legal ground because they not only own a portion of Full Tilt, but they have also aided in the programming of it's software. These guys are continually making profit from Full Tilt every single day. Profits of which the majority comes from American business. In contrast, the guys who were arrested from Neteller don't even run the company anymore.

Both Jesus and Lederer live in the US. Why haven't the feds gone after them in some way? Like someone else said in another thread it's not like they have to wait at some airport. They live here.

The sole reason is that such an event would just be too public, which is unlike everything they have been doing thus far. Pay attention to the majority of the events that have happened recently concerning all of this; it has all been done in quite possibly the most silent manner possible. I play poker regularly AND come here and I didn't even know about anything until days later. While you guys sit here and debate all night, every night, stars is still showing 100k peak players, and UB has 24k, which was more than the last peak i checked there. Nothing has really changed, and most of these people don't even really know what really has went down yet.

The feds and DOJ don't really want to start a commotion, they just want their money while they "get the job done". They are going to need a much more robust case to take against anyone at Full Tilt and any big poker name online in general, and they will get flak about it no matter what once it's on a celebrity stage and public opinion becomes an issue.

if you guys would stop feeling so timid about the situation all the time, maybe you all could actually get together, get organized, concoct something, and do something about what is going on. I see alot of this mood of futility all the time, or that "we're nothing and don't mean much to anyone" type of thinking in people who are supposed to be game theory experts in a $6 billion whatever industry that has garnered massive unprecedented success in TV and pop culture. It's getting annoying. It's not like the brainpower isn't in this community. But i guess this is America, so of course people will just sit back apathetically and lazily while their freedoms, no matter how trivial they are (like playing poker), will get run over by a semi.

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The gov't isn't going after poker sites like Full Tilt or software sites like Tiltware. They're going after the source, ewallets, along with sportsbooks. I've talked to reliable sources close to Howard, and as from what I hear, he is in no sort of trouble. Don't you think that if Howard and Ferguson were in some sort of legal trouble, they would be smart enough to be aware of it and take the appropriate course of action?