Rolled Kings against good opponent

[electrical]

Opponent is a professional player, though not a stud specialist. In previous hands he has not over-played his hands that I have seen. Since my hand was concealed by position and may have looked like just a steal/semi-strong hand, was I unnecessarily fearing monsters by shutting down (not capping Six and calling down)?

Most confusing play by villain is bet/call raise on Five, then going to war on Six.

7 Card Stud High ($8/$16), Ante $1.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

Seat 1: $283
Seat 2: $126.50
Seat 3: $168
Hero: $244.50
Seat 6: $347
Seat 7: $297
Seat 8: $481.50

3rd Street - (1.31 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ___completes
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ___brings-in ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ___folds

4th Street - (3.56 SB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ___bets
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ___calls

5th Street - (2.78 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ___raises
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ___bets ___calls

6th Street - (6.78 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ___raises ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ___bets ___raises

River - (12.78 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx ___bets

Total pot: (14.78 BB - $236.50)

[lstream]

Well if this guy is solid, then I think he hit a straight on sixth. His bet on fifth was an attempt to tell you he had trip tens. You told him you didn't care, so he should know you are rolled or have trip aces by then. In spite of that he bets into you on sixth, so I would give him credit and just call. Same thing on the river.

Now if this was Sexton, I might raise sixth depending on how much respect he has for you. He is real loose versus people he does not respect.

[southerndog]

call third.

[trickyAAA]

A couple of ideas here, although I don't totally disagree with anything you did.

I would just call on third to try to keep as many callers as possible.

Fifth and sixth streets are very interesting. He is representing trip tens on fifth. The question you have to ask yourself is does he view you as the type of player who will play against a paired door card without trips. If the villian viewed me as a strong player, I would figure he has a made hand after the re-raise on sixth, because he must be putting me on trips in order raise on fifth. However, if he thinks I am a donk, then he could have me on aces up. It doesn't matter, because you are definitley calling the river at this point. You have to like seeing the six and seven on one hand because if it is trip tens, his other cards are counterfieted and there is less chance of the boat. However, they are str8 cards for his hand, so that is the downside. All in all, a very interesting hand, and other than the raise on third, I would have played it in much the same way.

[electrical]

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call third.

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Folded to me in the cutoff with the only King on board, I would complete here to steal as often as not. I think most players would raise any hand they wanted to play with a King up. Certainly, if I had (Kx)K, I would raise. I think raising-in is more deceptive in this case than limping, because a limp would mean either a rolled hand or a smaller hidden pair, while raising represents a much wider (more confusing) range of hands.

That's my defense of the raise on Third, but I'm not sure it holds water.

My suspicion was that he put me on two pair on Fifth after I raised him, and on Sixth he can beat two pair. The problem is that I can't figure out what that hand could be. Although (66)T would be an odd hand for him to have played against a raise, I suppose it could be, but then he should have opened-fire on Fifth, as he would have with (Tx)T. (77)T is impossible.

I also think (89)T on third is unlikely, since there were straight cards dead, and specifically the 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], so he didn't have a three-straight-flush, and in any case, he would have had no overcards. If that were the case, then calling on Fourth would be quite bad, even for a non-specialist, drawing only to a gutshot.

If I were betting a big four-flush, it got there on Six, so his Three-bet ought to mean he's full or is playing quads in a mildly-psychedelic fashion.

The way he played Fifth and Sixth was really odd, and made it hard for me to put him on a hand with any confidence. Given that, should my response to this confusion be to fire all the guns, since there's almost nothing he can have that makes sense, or should I give him credit for some kind of big hand (albeit played in screwy fashion)?

I'll post results with hole cards later, but I'd like to hear some responses to my thinking about his possible hands. Again, this player is a professional, but not primarily a stud player, and when I have played him in the past, he has shown pretty good grasp of what his hands are worth, so I don't think he thinks he's trying to move me off my hand. I believe he is raising for value. I just have trouble giving him credit for a specific hand given the action.

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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I would just call on third to try to keep as many callers as possible.


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I disagree. Everyone except the bring-in and the player to your left has folded, so you don't have many players to keep in. Your best course here is to raise on third and represent the steal.

Also, hero's raise on sixth is possibly representing a flush. It could be a flush draw, though, so villain could be playing a hand that should be aggressive vs kings or aces plus a flush draw, but has redraws against a flush.

[lstream]

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Also, hero's raise on sixth is possibly representing a flush.

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If hero had not raised fifth then I would agree. However, very few players are going to raise a flush draw vs a paired door that could easily represent trip tens. I think villain has correctly put him on trips.

I also agree with taking a shot with the raise on third. The value in the deception is potentially very profitable.

[dsaxton]

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call third.

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This is a mistake. You're in a steal position with a big card up. Your opponents will put you on nothing if you raise, so raise with rolled-up trips.

FWIW, I always proceed with caution when someone open-limps in a steal position with a scare card.

[SCSTWG]

I do not put the Villian on 8-9-10 when you say he is a solid pro and you completed. He certainly shouldn't be on a heads-up str8 draw. I think he has 10's and when he hits his trips on 5th he bets them. When you raise, he knows you have trip 10's beat. he then bets into you on 6th indicating the the 7 on 6th made him a full house. I call it down from here.

[SplawnDarts]

Well, assuming sound play on his part one of two things is clearly true:

1) He's full
2) He believes your bluffed 6th street.

Your hand initially looks like a steal (maybe unpaired high cards), split kings, or possible a flush draw. You get frisky on 6th, when the purported flush draw hits. He can't put you on aces or split kings because you raised 5th street, but you could be on rolled kings. So his bet on 6th really does represent the boat, because everything you could be on beats trips.

At the same time, there's quite a bit of confusion here because you came in in steal position, and might have bluffed the spade on 6th street.

I think I don't raise 6th since he's representing a hand that beats me, and I call 7th. The 5:1 pot/implied odds on those two bets combined plus the chance of filling up makes me pay off a likely-stronger hand.

I don't think 6th can be raised for value, because I think he's either got air or a boat. I don't expect to see anything in the middle.

BTW, definitely don't open-limp. YUCK!!!!

Edit: as you can guess, I didn't look at results first. Anyone want to take a shot at explaining villain's line on 6th? He pretty much has to think you're bluffing the flush, and if so, when you call his re-raise, why does he bet 7th?