bad beat or bad play?

runningmarvel · #1 01-20-2007, 05:48 PM

Hi there,
I have this hand, I would like you to rate, as I was told that you here are best on FL. I'll best just fire away and await your opinions [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].
Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.10/$0.2
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB raises all-in $0.27, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (16.2SB, 5 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 16.2SB)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10.6BB, 5 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 8.1BB, Sidepot 1: 2.5BB)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (22.6BB, 4 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 8.1BB, Sidepot 1: 14.5BB)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds.

Results:
Final pot: 24.6BB

Tiburon · #2 01-20-2007, 05:52 PM

Seems fine to me. I'm assuming by the title of your post that you lost this hand. WTF did UTG+1 have? He sucks if he played a hand that beats you this way.

davebwell · #3 01-20-2007, 06:01 PM

what did he have a set of 8s or a set of 5s? either way your play was fine and he lost bets by not capping the turn and raising the river.

runningmarvel · #4 01-21-2007, 08:11 AM

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what did he have a set of 8s or a set of 5s? either way your play was fine and he lost bets by not capping the turn and raising the river.

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Right, the hands were: UTG+1 had T9o, BB had Q5o. Yeah I lost it, I just couldn't bring to my mind, that he (UTG+1) had something to beat me since he was very loose, I put him on a flush draw..Also I didn't cap preflop because I thought AJs isn't a strong enough hand to cap preflop, I only do this with AA-QQ and AK.
Thanks for your opinions so far!

tyler_cracker · #5 01-20-2007, 05:52 PM

cap preflop for value.

rest is totally standard.

Shillx · #6 01-20-2007, 05:54 PM

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cap preflop for value.

rest is totally standard.

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fretelöo · #7 01-20-2007, 06:01 PM

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cap preflop for value.

rest is totally standard.

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Tyler, assuming "average" players, starting with how many players are you 3betting/capping pf? 4?

tyler_cracker · #8 01-20-2007, 06:06 PM

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Tyler, assuming "average" players, starting with how many players are you 3betting/capping pf? 4?

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i'm not sure i understand the question. let me try this:

unless someone scary is showing aggression, or more than one reasonable person is showing aggression, i want to get a lot of money in the pot with AJs.

how's that?

fretelöo · #9 01-20-2007, 07:54 PM

Well, I agree, this is .1/.2 so one can probably assume that most players are bad. Plus, the 3bet is an all-in so that doesn't count.

However, just assuming that this was a "normal" pf-3bet and assuming that the player is (just as we are) decent for the level he's playing at, I don't think AJs is an automatic 3bet/cap against a normal pf-raiser? So I was assuming you were thinking that you might be a slight dog to the 3bettor, but a good favourite against the rest so that making 'em all play max pf makes sense. But that reasoning depends on the number of players in the pot, no?

tyler_cracker · #10 01-20-2007, 10:23 PM

i can't give you a number because it depends on a lot of stuff. who is the raiser? what are our relative and absolute positions?

it's more about the situation. in the case of the OP, i would advocate capping with a variety of hands (KQs, ATs, JJ).

i think you have the basic idea here:

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you might be a slight dog to the 3bettor, but a good favorite against the rest so that making 'em all play max pf makes sense

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