Dealers sharing vs keeping their own tokes

[David M]

I understand that in most houses the dealer keeps their own tokes which is the incentive to deal a swift and pleasant game.

Some pool the tokes.

Would anyone know where I could find any hard data that would show how many hands per down a dealer gets out under each of those scenarios?

I was directed to Masons 3 Essays, and after a quick scanning didn't find anything.

Thanks for any consideration I could receive, David

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Would anyone know where I could find any hard data that would show how many hands per down a dealer gets out under each of those scenarios?

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First off, no one keeps this kind of data anywhere. It just doesn't exist and never will.

Lets just say, pooling toke system is a great way to decrease the hands per hour on average and kill the amount dealers make. Also, the overall quality of dealers is sure to be much less.

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First off, no one keeps this kind of data anywhere. It just doesn't exist and never will.

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I'm sure Foxwoods has a very good idea how much rake per hour they get out of a table. Even on time-charged games, the Shufflemaster might keep records.

Now getting that data from them would be a much thornier question.

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Now getting that data from them would be a much thornier question.

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That's exactly my point. No one will have this information generally available to anyone. But Foxwoods can't even compare the amount of hands on pooled tokes vs non pooled tokes because they dont have access to non pooled HPH.

[AKQJ10]

Right, I was imagining that you'd have to compare FW data to the majority of rooms where they keep tokes. But since they would never share that data it's a non-starter.

Maybe some academic could get them to release it on an "anonymous" time-delay basis (e.g. 5 years). The anonymous part doesn't matter too much since there aren't many big rooms that pool.

[David M]

I spoke w/ Kathy I think it is @ FW back in '03. They pool and she isn't happy with that.

I work @ Ho-Chunk in WI and we are re-opening in 9 days.

That is what I am researching. Everyone says "don't do it", I just think since it's such a prevailing opinion, there should be some data on the subject.

[tom10167]

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First off, no one keeps this kind of data anywhere. It just doesn't exist and never will.

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I'm sure Foxwoods has a very good idea how much rake per hour they get out of a table. Even on time-charged games, the Shufflemaster might keep records.

Now getting that data from them would be a much thornier question.

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I can tell you right now that nobody has any idea.

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First off, no one keeps this kind of data anywhere. It just doesn't exist and never will.

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I'm sure Foxwoods has a very good idea how much rake per hour they get out of a table. Even on time-charged games, the Shufflemaster might keep records.

Now getting that data from them would be a much thornier question.

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I can tell you right now that nobody has any idea.

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Unless Foxwoods is managed worse than I imagined you are wrong. I have seen figures for what different games palces I have worked drop. No, I won't be sharing those, but casinos enjoy making money and they are always looking for ways to make more money.

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First off, no one keeps this kind of data anywhere. It just doesn't exist and never will.

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I'm sure Foxwoods has a very good idea how much rake per hour they get out of a table. Even on time-charged games, the Shufflemaster might keep records.

Now getting that data from them would be a much thornier question.

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I can tell you right now that nobody has any idea.

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Unless Foxwoods is managed worse than I imagined you are wrong. I have seen figures for what different games palces I have worked drop. No, I won't be sharing those, but casinos enjoy making money and they are always looking for ways to make more money.

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Randy,

To the best of my knowledge, Foxwoods IS managed very poorly. I would not be surprised at anything that comes out of there.

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First off, no one keeps this kind of data anywhere. It just doesn't exist and never will.

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I'm sure Foxwoods has a very good idea how much rake per hour they get out of a table. Even on time-charged games, the Shufflemaster might keep records.

Now getting that data from them would be a much thornier question.

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I can tell you right now that nobody has any idea.

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Unless Foxwoods is managed worse than I imagined you are wrong. I have seen figures for what different games palces I have worked drop. No, I won't be sharing those, but casinos enjoy making money and they are always looking for ways to make more money.

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Well, I could be wrong then, but I feel fairly confident in my assumption for the poker room. Table games I wouldn't doubt a second, but the ethernet ports are all empty on every shuffler I've seen, and I've seen a bunch.(We look under the tables to try and replug the shufflers in with our feet.)

Also: When getting evals dealer speed is based on how fast you are dealing when a floor watches and counts in a time frame.