royal frush draw

private joker · #1 12-31-2006, 04:38 AM

Great 20/40 game. Reads:

MP2: tilting loose idiot
CO: horrible loose donk
Button: unknown, new to table (grey-haired, conservative-looking older Asian man)
BB: tight/passive

I open UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], MP2, CO, and button all cold-call, BB calls.

5 to the flop for 5BBs.. Flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks, I bet, MP2 calls, CO calls, button calls, BB folds.

4 to the turn for 7BBs. Turn is T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

I bet, MP2 calls, CO folds, button raises, I call, MP2 curses and calls.

3 to the river for 13BBs. River is J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

I check, MP2 curses and checks and takes his chip off his cards, button bets, I look left and MP2 is about to fold, so I'm essentially closing the action getting 14:1. Still fold? Easy call? Somewhere in between? Does it matter?

This is probably a who-cares type of decision, but I'm curious.

Also, I'm interested to hear comments on my turn play as well.

that_pope · #2 12-31-2006, 05:11 AM

Smells like AQ, QJ, or 55, but I think the information gained with a call and a semi-strong hand would be worthwhile, since he is an unknown to you.

Then again, I can't put him on a hand that you can beat...

Stop posting these brain teasers, you can't beat anything but air, but why would he raise with air on the turn.

Chris Daddy Cool · #3 12-31-2006, 09:58 AM

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what nationality and how old is he? if he is not tilting does he have any semblance of rational poker thought? also does he view you as some young punk from the internet?

stinkypete · #4 12-31-2006, 11:40 AM

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what nationality and how old is he? if he is not tilting does he have any semblance of rational poker thought? also does he view you as some young punk from the internet?

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if MP2 is middle-aged he has the nuts and you should turbomuck. this is particularly true if he's asian.

candyman718 · #5 12-31-2006, 12:04 PM

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MP2: tilting loose idiot

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what nationality and how old is he? if he is not tilting does he have any semblance of rational poker thought? also does he view you as some young punk from the internet?

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if MP2 is middle-aged he has the nuts and you should turbomuck. this is particularly true if he's asian.

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I think it depends on what country he's from. If he's from Korea or China fold. India or Japan call. Vietnam or Cambodia raise.

stinkypete · #6 12-31-2006, 12:18 PM

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I think it depends on what country he's from. If he's from Korea or China fold. India or Japan call. Vietnam or Cambodia raise.

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i have a feeling you're being facetious, but are there clear differences in the way the different asian nationalities play? i've always just grouped them together, but that might be a leak.

benwood · #7 12-31-2006, 12:25 PM

Check the flop,bet/call the turn,& call the river.

candyman718 · #8 12-31-2006, 01:17 PM

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I think it depends on what country he's from. If he's from Korea or China fold. India or Japan call. Vietnam or Cambodia raise.

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i have a feeling you're being facetious, but are there clear differences in the way the different asian nationalities play? i've always just grouped them together, but that might be a leak.

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Stick with your first instincts. That could be a leak too. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

WMB · #9 12-31-2006, 02:17 PM

I check-call turn and fold river. there is no hand villain can logically have here that you beat.

Raist0000 · #10 12-31-2006, 02:26 PM

2 things:

KJs is good enough for a preflop raise in UTG+1 in a 10-handed game?? I always raise KQs, but KJs I think is a call in a loose game or fold in a typical game. I'm too tight perhaps?

I think in the turn is best to check-call. Given all the flop calls you are probably behind in the turn, and if you are behind your equity is not high enough to valuebet the turn against 3 opponents, and you are never going to have a better hand to fold (perhaps only KQ).