AA in a 5 handed pot

[Route66]

I thought my PFR was ok, didn't expect this much company...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($33.70)
MP2 ($28.10)
MP3 ($12.70)
Hero ($24.95)
Button ($53.60)
SB ($25.35)
BB ($25.70)
UTG ($7)
UTG+1 ($22.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.40, BB calls $1.25, MP2 calls $1.25, MP3 calls $1.25.

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $5</font>, BB folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds

Hero ??

[Skyward]

just fold it

[Sean Fraley]

Hero raises to about $20. You have the best overpair, and a strong likelihood of someone betting TPTK (AJ).

[Route66]

Forgot to mention, villain was only at the table for a few hands so no reads.

[Archon_Wing]

This is actualy a dream to have so many callers, even though you will get outdrawn a lot-- they paid their entrance fee, so to speak ;p

There's a lot of hands that would do this, because there are a lot of draws. Pair+Flush draw or combo draws or just AJ. This pot is big, and you probaly want to felt this as with this drawy board will come a bunch of cards you won't want to see.

[Haplo]

I would probably fold it.
Yes, the board is full of draws.
But the person bet strongly oop into three other people--one of whom is the pre-flop raiser. I personally see this as strength--not someone with AJ--though some people are stupid enough to do this.
I think more likely you are facing two pair or a set. And so I would probably fold (unhappily).

What is your table image by the way?

[littlefalcon]

A $5 bet from the new guy at the table isn't for draws or value... he's protecting his TPTK/TPGK. He's used his position to take the initiative away from you (remember you... the guy on the button who could be trying to steal!) Take the control back - put all your chips in and see how he feels about his jacks.

[Route66]

Villain's only been at the table for a few hands, but to the rest of the table (not that it helps here) I'm running around 20/6/4.5. I've stolen from the button a few times recently and have been c-betting, but nothing out of line.

[Sean Fraley]

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I would probably fold it.
Yes, the board is full of draws.
But the person bet strongly oop into three other people--one of whom is the pre-flop raiser. I personally see this as strength--not someone with AJ--though some people are stupid enough to do this.
I think more likely you are facing two pair or a set. And so I would probably fold (unhappily).


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I may well use this response as an example in explaining weak/tight play. Villain made a less than pot sized bet on the flop into the preflop raises, which is a perfectly good thing to do for a number of hands, including some that are worse than yours such as TPTK. Even at higher stakes than the micros, this will happen. Folding an overpair every time someone bets in front of you means you will give up on a lot of money over the long run, which is why you should never do it in fear of two pair or a set. The only times you should simply give up on an overpair for one medium bet in a raised pot is when the flop is paired, tripled, three to a straight, or monochrome and you have real reason to believe that villain has what he represents. You may also think about folding if the preflop betting gives you reason to believe that you are facing a higher overpair. This is why we raise here. We are telling the villain with top pair, or for that matter QQ or JJ, that no, your pair isn't good here, I have better. To put it another way, we show why aggressive poker is winning poker. Now, that having been said, if you get reraised here, you need to give some thought to the possiblity of two pair or better. Even then, it is probably worth it to call and see if you improve on the turn.

[Ali shmali]

I don't think calling is great. You will have $19 behind and the turn pot will be $17. So you need to decide now whether you are willing to get your stack in or not. If not, then just fold. If you are, then you need to raise here and give your opponent the chance to make a bad call with a weaker hand.

The bet is big, but it's still only a 3/4 pot bet. How would QQ, KK, AJ, KQ spades play this hand? i think they all take the same line and you are ahead of all of them. SB called a good size raise preflop so you will lose to TT and JJ everynow and then. But not often enough to fold here I think.