99 facing large bet

[Dr1Gonzo]

$40+4 live fast structure level 2.
Level 1 was starting stack 1500 at 25/50

No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
8 players

Stack sizes:
SB: 1000
BB: 1500
UTG: 3000
UTG+1: 1800
Hero: t1450
MP1: 1400
MP2: 2000
Button: 2000

Hero has 99 - thoughts on each of these scenarios...

HAND 1
Pre-flop: UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 300, MP1 folds, MP2 rasies 800, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ?

HAND 2
Pre-flop: UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises all-in

HAND 3
Pre-flop: UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 300, MP1 folds, MP2 rasies all-in, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ?

Not any read apart from villain has entered a few pots with QT type hands usually for a limp.
With hand 1, this is a big raise, if I call, and then overcards come (likely!) I've probably lost half my stack and the implied odds are not good.

[mornelth]

U can't call for half your stack, WTF. Decide what his range is and either push or fold. In a fast structure you're going to need some chips - just decide whether or not this is the spot to try and get some. Online I'd push this without a second thought, live - I'm not so sure.

[Dr1Gonzo]

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Online I'd push this without a second thought, live - I'm not so sure.

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So you'd proceed as in Hand 2?
Why would you not push this live?

[rppkoz]

No, Hand 2 is completely awful.

[whynot?]

so this is a pick your spot position

in 1 & 3, you've put in 20% of your stack and get reraised essentially all in. so the key is what range do you put this guy on - if this guy was decent, i'd say it would have to be tt+, ak, aq and maybe 10% one of the other hands. with that range and factoring in the other hands you're about a 60% dog here - so you'd essentiall be putting in 1200 to win 3150 or in other words you'd have to win 38% of the time to make this profitable based on pot odds.

Based on the structure, you're read on this guy and your current position i call/push and hope you're flipping

[fouf1974]

Unless you have seen MP2 reraising with stupid hands:
1 I fold
2 I will never do that with 14BB
3 I fold

What about raising something like 200 to 250, then fold to a reraise. Raising less in early or middle position can be as effective as raising 3BB or more, and you are less pot-commited in the pot.

[Dr1Gonzo]

The 4th hand I guess is:

HAND 4
Pre-flop: UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero limps, MP1 limps, MP2 rasies 800, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ?

I think the range here is more like TT+ and AK, AQ
I think the range for hands 1-3 is more like TT+ and AK. I think he would just flat call with AQ.

Would you raise 88 here as well or only 99+ ?

[Soulman]

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Unless you have seen MP2 reraising with stupid hands:
1 I fold
2 I will never do that with 14BB
3 I fold

What about raising something like 200 to 250, then fold to a reraise. Raising less in early or middle position can be as effective as raising 3BB or more, and you are less pot-commited in the pot.

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Wow, you really suck at this. Sorry man, but that's the harsh truth.

Pushing all day is cool all around.

[BT2]

i like hand 4 and fold to a raise of 800

[Dr1Gonzo]

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i like hand 4 and fold to a raise of 800

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800 looks like an AK hand don't you think?
So, wouldn't you hope for the flip here?
It could of course just some nutter getting overactive with a QQ-AA type hand.